I really want to play Evoker, but

oh yea a forsaken paladin is really so much of a ask when we have HOLY PRIEST on the forsaken race.

demon hunters are different. sure ide like for them to be playable on different races, partially for the humor in the race combos and the other part so i can play what i want but i dont expect it.

dude your quoting someone i have 0 respect for nore any trust in. the dude lies all the time and we cant trust he will remember evokers exist when they design mechanics and encounters.

hes part of that group of pople that are just i dont like it even though it hurts nobody so nobody can have it. the vocal minority is always the loudest

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Holy priest only exist due to gameplay mechanics. Lore wise, they are all shadow.

Say you don’t know lore without saying you don’t know lore.

Priests channel the light, paladins are filled with such a quantity of light that they exude an “aura”. Channeling the light nearly kills the forsaken. Being filled with that much light would kill a forsaken.

Which is why all forsaken in lore are shadow priests because it hurts them too much to actively use. But you can’t just seperate the specs from the class

It’s the exact same thing. All dh are one of the elves but not all of the elves are demon hunters.

All evokers are dracthyr but as confirmed by the devs not all dracthyr are evokers. Which is why you can be playing them as other classes soon.

Not my problem it’s a skill issue… if you can’t accept the range after 2 years you need to move on.

Toys are Toys. Not the same not even close to equivalent.

Thank the light they don’t exist and thankfully blizz doesn’t listen to the whiny players who just demand “more” even when that “more” is literal garbage

Did yall forget this is an mmo with a story?

Says you. There are whole servers filled with roleplayers that use toys to roleplay their entire character as a different race that is a race you can’t officially play as.

You saying an entire server of players are wrong for wanting actual official playable races?

Did you forget this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME with players that want more diverse role options? lmao

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Toys are like cosplay in that case so it really doesn’t matter

Didn’t say that at all that’s a bait. I don’t like toys because they make animations look bad. But them using it is fine.

Did you forget we are in a game with an established story that you choose to roleplay in. DnD exists if you want to roleplay as whatever whenever

It’ll honestly come down to how much work they’re willing to go through to enforce the existence of both forms for every race, as opposed to individual visage options imitating the existing races on the one “dracthyr” race. Not sure which way they’d go about resolving that issue.

I’m not entirely sure what you mean, unless you’re referring to replacing our animation for casting Deep Breath by calling upon an allied Evoker- would have to add a cancellable channel animation to it, and that could create an entire other level of headache since WoW doesn’t have many styles of abilities with a placeable-directional ability like that. (Think Viktor from League of Legends as a good example of this with one of his abilities).

Neat concept, not sure how they’d execute it.

Says you.

Says you.

Says you.

I played on Wyrmrest Accord for 5 years and I roleplayed pretty often. In all that time I would say roughly half of all players profiles and roleplaying was done with content that would fly directly into the face of established lore. There are guilds that are strict about roleplay, but most players just let people play whatever they want as long as they are god-modding.

But you’re allowed your opinion. You think the idea of opening up additional class/race options and customization options is bad, then you are right. Whatever you think is good, bad, or in-between? You’re right. It’s your opinion and you can feel like anything you want is right. But I disagree and I think my opinion is right.

I appreciate how energetic you are about your opinion. It’s important that varying viewpoints are seen and varying voices are heard on any topic.

:dracthyr_yay_animated:

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Okay, how many people play on roleplay servers compared to others, how many roleplay vs regular servers?

Good for them, but how do most players see it. As cosplay effects that most likely annoy them when they step on a race changer in raid

That is an adorable emote. I wish I could figure out how to use it how did you do that?

There is no way for either of us to know this. Any evidence is anecdotal. Just like me pointing out that WRA is full of RP’ers too. The point I am making is that there are hundreds and much more likely thousands of players that would like more options.

Most players dont raid though, did you know that? That’s a fact. If Blizzard only did things that the majority wanted I am pretty sure raid development would basically stop.

Ultimately you’re right though, Blizzard will add what they want when they want regardless of what players ask for. Your opinion and mine basically will never matter to them anyways. Look how long the high elf thread has been up in general chat, Blizzard doesn’t care. So if you’re really passionate about keeping things “pure” (so-to-speak) its more likely you’ll get your way than we will get ours. But we can always hope :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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ah yes its totally a skill issue to be 26 yds from something your trying to attack. when your able to get good enough to do damage beyond your range limitations your either playing with bugs or lying. no amount of skill can get you past the wall that is range. im so sorry basic mechanics elude you.

then evokers on other races wouldnt matter to you as its just cosplay in your mind.

did you forget how much and how often things get retcon in this story you choose to rolplay in?

yes pretty much having our animation done by a allied evoker. the cancel would just be hitting deep breath again. at the least amount of effort it would work how deep breath worked during dragonflight u set the path and he goes off and does it for you.

thats only because what grandpa over here wants require no work to be done while what we want require them to do the 1 thing they dont want to do and this is their job. same reason why the other classes were done for all races but not paladin druid and shaman. those 3 require work where as the others didnt.

So true though. I wish pvp gearing was back maaaaannnnn

Sorry skill eludes you brother. Dev has put up good or better numbers than other classes in raids, only held back by being in the same class as Aug in higher forms of raiding.

Man it totally does they are dragons, when I invite a dragon I generally want to see a dragon, and play with the lore of the dragon class

Not that old, only 26 and I’ve played for like 8 years I’m def no grandpa, I just have a respect for how the story and gameplay matter and how while gameplay is important you can’t have it take a dump on story and lore.

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gonna ignore everything else because i couldnt care less anymore but how can you pretend to care about the story when blizzard has shown time and time again they dont. i use to care about the lore and love it but the less blizzard showed they care the less i care and at this point i couldnt care less about the lore if i can play the race class combo i want. for my 15 a month thats more important than a story they change and retcon and mess with as often as they do. all classes on all races does far less damage to the lore than blizzard has done with shadowlands alone. plus its super easy to explain. its been 20 years so other than demon hunters who theres no real reason for new to exist everyones had time to learn from each other and be what they want. idc that its only for a gameplay stand that forsaken are holy and disc when in lore they arent as if thats good enough for the last 20 years then theres no gamebreaking lore reason behind forsaken not being pallys. we dont get to cherry pick the dumb explanations to defend things

Okay well I’m sorry that you disagree with the lore of the game and the gameplay of said game. Good thing there huge number of classes to choose from if you don’t enjoy the asthetics of one so that you don’t feel like you’re 15 dollars is wasted because story actually matters in the game.

Honestly we should just have 3 megathreads for all this nonsense (visage/race, range, and aug hate) so the rest of us can talk about other evoker things rather than seeing the same threads about non-issues

Uh hu besides their literal death but I mean sure.

so pretty much 3 mega threads and then a dead forum location… cool

holy priest

As I already explained the lore and the gameplay reasons why both of those exist. Not going to do it again. Stop trolling

if you can painfully weild the light as a priest you can do it as a pally who doesnt take the light into their body but mealy uses it as a tool. having 1 without the other because of “lore” is lazy and doesnt help the lore. its not trolling

That is so crazy wrong it’s insane. Paladins are so infused with the light they produce auras. What do you think aura’s are from a lore perspective dude. It’s literally their body being so full of infused “light energy” that it has an impact on their allies.

You need a perma ignore bc I’m done dealing with trolls like you. Goodbye

I am curious though, when Blood Elves originally could be paladins it was because they had a Naaru they were subjugating and stealing power from. Why couldn’t something like that work?

They probably could subjugate it, but like it would again destroy their bodies to become paladins. They already nearly die from just channeling the light (which is why all forsaken are shadow priests), so having the light infuse their entire body would cause near instant death