The bear has both good damage and good survivability. After tomorrow’s patch, the bear will have both good damage and good survivability. It’s unclear what the problem is.
The problem is ridiculous tuning. There is absolutely no excuse for the yoyo that bears have had this patch.
Can i play dotc? Not anymore.
Are apex talents useful? nope
Can i use my tier set? Nope.
Can i go a week without having to reevaluate my build? Nope.
This is absolutely unprofessional and unacceptable.
After 20+ years my expectation is that a class have options, be able to participate in the talent system, be competitive with other tanks.
Does this always happen, no. I understand that. Adjustments should come in intervals. Small, balanced. They should be close enough AT LAUNCH. But before you defend them, look at the patch notes-across the board.
I tanked a dungeon two days ago with my son watching. I needed no heals and did more dos than the dps.
His FIRST question as a teenager.. why dont you just go in w with 5 bears?
How could they not see this? And how am i supposed to trust anything they do?
The fact is, this nerf fixes nothing. Bears are a copy paste class that has 2 buttons
this is a personal choice. you can 100% do all of those.
you should be doing this anyways, always adjusting to the content and your own playstyle.
they are literally a contender for meta and right now they are winning that top spot.
you complain about people following the meta build but act like you cant play anything but that build. you can play what ever you like, no one is stopping you.
you are at a level where the meta has zero affect on you and people wont care at all what you play as long as you are a tank and live.
The problem isnt me. It is the fact that the quantity and extremity of adjustments is ridiculous.
the fact that you accept this as “OK” is inconceivable.
Even after all of this, the class is a shell of what it should be.l from a functional standpoint.
It is not about the pure numbers, its about a level of consistency and quality you should expect from developers.
Their current stance is “we screwed it up, and we will fix it in a later patch”.
It is because their approach is to “fix problems” with a sledgehammer and never test the product.
While you can technically play any way you want, it just doesnt make sense to when they have clearly made the majority of play-styles impractical for advancement
They have also not delivered on key components to an expansion i paid for.
They nerfed dotc by 35%,they nerfed raze/maul/apex by 47%, buffed thrash by 200%, now nerfing again by 1/4th.
At what point did someone bring this bright idea up and no one question it?
This is absurd.
I expect them to actually understand how to balance a class prior to releasing this steady stream of incompetence.
So you think is 100 fine for blizzrd to do class tunning without thinking about for 1 sec? So you think is ok for them to just keep thorwing random tunning and see what sticks? So you think it is ok for them them nerf guaridan druid after the first week of M0 without looking at the actually data? So you think is ok to buff guradian druid only to nerf it next week? So you think is ok for blizzard to design such terrible apex talents and then nerf them to usless? So you think is ok for us to be paying and playing a game in alpha stage?
it’s the massive swings. It’s the fact that they easily could have had this settled at launch, but chose to release broken content then followed up with a bunch of knee jerk reactions. I just don’t care to log on every day to play to find absurd swings in how you play the class. The feel of the bear was fine. I did NOT like the nature of playing with a single massive burst ability, but overall, the flow of the rotation of the class felt good. Now it is thrash thrash moonfire. They did not have to nerf raze/maul by 47% just to buff thrash, then nerf thrash. How about balance BOTH so that both are effective?
Rather than see from that angle, they’re too worried about tanks doing too much damage.
I’d personally rather see 5-8% adjustments 2-3x than what’s going on.
Blizzard balance this expac has been horrible. Irrespective of how balanced/unbalanced guardian is right now the massive swings are very annoying.
Really not sure why the buffs went through in the first place, why they thought players wanted some giga burst tank spec in the first place etc etc etc.. they added multiple talents buffing maul and didnt bother wondering how that would interact with the apex talents that echo maul.
Added red moon(why?)
I think they just added these talents, apex talents and didn’t bother to test anything or realize how they interact with each other.
Lol and you think the game in its currently stage is 100% fine. They can’t even fix the issue DX and is been going on for 2 expansion and is getting worse. Combie with the bugs that keeps coming with every patch yea I say this is wrose than Alpha.
Bear damage is pitiful, reduced damage reduces defensiveness. This tuning pass was heavy-handed and overdone. My warriors dps is significantly higher than my bears now.
I was excited to finally play DotC, because it was overshadowed by Elunes forever, and I always wanted to play a “Bear Druid”, instead of “Laser Bear”
but nerfed…
So went back to Elunes…
Played with apex talents, but realized I could squeeze more of what I wanted by not taking them…this was pre-buff…
Then the Buff happened, and already a believer in not following protocol, and a fan of Awoo, I went full ham with the Thrash build, and laughed hysterically like most did, at how much you could get out of so little keybinds…
You actually were being carried by a op spec and now that it’s op ness was reined back a little, your actively suffering because you never bothered to learn the spec
Maybe you should learn how to bear before complaining about spec tuning
Considering you don’t have the wherewithal to sort out who my main is and that I haven’t raided competitively for multiple expacs, your critical thinking levels are on full display.
A wise person knows they don’t know everything. You apparently don’t know when to listen.
again, your complaining about bears damage, saying bear damage is bad. when its not. your posting on a bear and your bear logs are terrible in keys.
bear isnt bad, you are just a fotmer who joined the bandwagon cause bear was strong enough to actively reward players who legit only press 2 buttons. aka people like you
It is. Bear doesn’t have the best overall dps anymore. And its damage profile is completely trash. Its entire damage is padding, zero priority damage, the worst single target dps. While brew is doing the same or even better than post nerf bear dps, it has strong priority and much much better single target.