Writers really need to stop messing with time travel. Even some of the more esteemed writers veer away from it. And when they don’t, they have no fear of destroying their own world of making hard revelations.
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The draeni were introduced in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, 3 years before Rise of the Horde. That book is still a retcon to legitimize the storyline within The Burning Crusade before it was released a month later.
Note: People try to argue the value of this retcon, I agree yawning, grunting, potato people would have been a poor addition to the playable race catalog. I can think of some ways I think would be better to introduce the current iteration of the draeni, but that isn’t relevant either.
My apologies, I’ve only ever known WoW lore for the most part. I played WC3 but I was too young and too uncaring to dig deep into the history.
I have Reforged but I’m hesitant to play it. Most I’ve been doing is reading the retcon books.
I should add I don’t mind the retconned Draenei/Eredar lore. The thing that I had a hard time wrapping my head around was Sargeras. Some almighty being bringing wrath and destruction. Seemed like a strange narrative.
If you’re going that route it seems better to do either the Starcraft Zerg or 40k Tryanid approach. Having a god-like being continue fighting after they own half the galaxy with no competition seems superfluous.
As for reforged they didn’t change much besides the models. Fixed the draeni models a little so it fits in with the new lore. I’m kinda glad they got cut off editing the old levels, since the only (I think) new one is Stratholm and all they did was make it match the current known layout, but removed all the little secrets from the original.
I was disappointed they didn’t restore some of the hidden models from the original. There was never anything wrong with balistas, and Warhammer should have had to pay for frivolous lawsuits for even trying to pretend they made them up.
I might have oldschool WC3 lying around somewhere.
I was playing WC1 for a minute there but all I wanted was story and the pacing was just too slow. I settled for skipping 1 & 2, which would mean WC3 it is. Just need to find time to play it.
Like they didn’t do the exact same thing with Wrath of the Lich King with the Norse Mythos and dredging all the nostalgia from Warcraft III in a desperate attempt to sell off one of the worst endings to a campaign.
‘There must always be a Lich King!’
Dumbest rule ever.
The lore has become such an absolute joke that I don’t even care anymore.
At this point, if one of those mushroom people takes the throne in Stormwind, I’ll be like, ok… cool.
Myra Tyrngaarde the bread vendor in Ironforge whips all the Dwarf bosses out and declares herself the queen of the mountain? Whatever man.
Gallywix decides he has had enough of all this drama, hires a merry band of strippers and retires to his pleasure palace, leaving Gamon in charge of the goblins? Fine.
Malfurion renounces his druidic ways and becomes an interpretive dancer? Alright.
Jaina decides to go trans and form a new identify as Jim? Okie dokie.
Don’t care.
It’s all a joke at this point. The narrative will never recover. It’s an irreparably damaged, broken machine. It’s an unquenchable dumpster fire, burning with the heat of a thousand felfire infused suns. It’s over. The story is over.
As long as I have my quests, I’m ok. Point me to the group of bears whose rumps need to be collected. I’m good.
Inb4 blizz defense shill retort
I do. And those people are the same fools crying now.
There are people in the community who can’t tell the difference between recontextualization versus retroactive continuity (retcon).
Such peoples’ opinions on things should wholly be discarded as trash.
And to end this post, the Jailer (Zovaal) is a monumental flop because blizz can’t even give sufficient background plus voicelines to even make him a knockoff Thanos.
WoW lore is entirely an Activision problem. The early lore was fairly adequate. It was measured and thought out. Once Activision had Blizzard by the collar, they bullied them into trying to make Warcraft into an Avengers knockoff. The Activision takeover was the same era that the Ironman series was really taking off and the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe was becoming something serious. We’re still in it to this day, Shadowlands being Blizzard’s take on the Marvel Infinity War series is not a coincidence, it is the echoes of corporate chubbies for Ironman.
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I don’t like “your gods are robots.”
Even the gods are botting in WoW.
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Someone hasn’t read the Warcraft 3 manual if he thinks draeni were a “recontextualization” instead of a “retroactive continuity.” But go on please explain how Sargeras the titan defeated the eradar and nathrezim, imprisoned them, was lost to corruption, freed them to become the leader of the burning legion, designated Archimond and Kil’Jaeden as his champions, and finally ended up on Argus to corrupt Archimond Kil’Jaeden and try Velen who were all just normal now somehow, and the first 2 apparently didn’t know him, nor were they warlocks yet, in spite of already being warlocks before.
If that is confusing, it should be, because it includes a lot of discarded (retconned) lore.
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100% agree.
Sometimes when I’m bored I’ll just fly around old zones from WC3 era to give me a giant nostalgia shot.
It is indeed very true.
While you can argue the Ashbringer is strong enough to defeat him, it doesn’t exclude the fact that Arthas prepared for it and froze him.
It went back to a very familiar trope where all hope was lost but the last second an unseen force decides to change fate out of thin air. I’m speaking of Tirion’s ability to break free last second.
It’s cliche story telling.
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Ah I misunderstood. Yes, I’ve always enjoyed the joke that, as a vanilla WoW human character, he forgot his racial had changed and had to open his spellbook to find EMFH, and that is why he took so long to get out of CC.
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I think the problem is that world Warcraft story is finally at the footnotes of whatever Metzen left them.
I think we’re now in like the unfinished tales of Tolkien