It might help with people just flag bombing if it was back. Got some real unhinged folks around this joint lmao but it sounds like it worked similar to Reddit.
Yeah. Might come to a shock to some but I donât like arguing with people. Would rather just smash that downvote then unfollow the thread.
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Only reason itâs an issue is people make it so and Iâm not getting into the debate.
Was purely pointing out an issue that could occur.
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iâm offended by your post grabs 10 alts to spam dislike to hide your post ah⊠quality and fairness just as the forefathers intended.
But actually being serious here, dislike was just the lazy mans way of disagreeing with someone. Have you seen the classic forums, especially seasons of discovery? There are people legit acting like they are children that got their candy stolen. Any sort of change request is met by the classic andies going #NOCHANGES and just saying going back to retail and all that stuff. You know the same seasons of discovery that is meant to add a lot of change to classic?
Instead what people should do is debate like decent human beings and actually give proper feed back in why they disagree with people. And if its trolling or harassment thats what the report option is for.
So yeah instead of just pushing dislike on your post, i actually explained why i think the dislike is bad and what we should do instead. And as a human being with free will and speech you can agree or disagree with me!
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Well, the solution to that is to have bnet posting so you only get one like, one downvote and one flag.
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I actually tried this with the report feature once, got suspended from the forums for a week so yeah Blizzard already has a solution for it 
Exactly.
The problem was never with Dislikes, it was with the bury feature tied to them.
Sure, people tend to dogpile the votes when the numbers get high enough. But that does both ways and as long as its not burying posts it doesnât matter.
My main issue with keeping Likes but removing Dislikes is that a well-received post will still look well-received as normal, but a post thatâs controversial (in that, thereâs an actual divide on the topic, not controversial in that itâs blatantly trolling) is⊠still going to look well-received without Dislikes. At least at a Glance. Obviously a post with 3 upvotes and 129 negative comments isnât well received, but itâs less clear in topics that donât gain that kind of traction or arenât immediately hated. If the first handful of people are supportive because itâs actually a divisive topic, it gets messier without Dislikes.
I guess my point is Likes are meaningless without Dislikes, so either remove Likes too or bring back Dislikes (sans Bury function).
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Thatâs fair.
Itâs just frustrating when dealing with this stuff in a game, I always thought it was an escape.
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I think the main reason they removed them was because it was very easy and clear to see when the players were upset about something, like Blizzard would pull one of their usual boneheaded moves and then their white knight types would be here to defend them, and then the defenders would get disliked into oblivion.
Having the current situation where you can easily click âlikeâ on something but have to explain yourself and type out why you dislike something is just another form of PR control. Imagine an election where voting for one candidate was a simple tick of a box, in and out the door in a few seconds, but voting for the other candidate would require you to sit down and type out why you want to vote that way, would that be considered a fair and unbiased representation of the will of the people? Of course not lol
For forum âvotingâ to be 100% fair and unbiased, we need to have likes and dislikes, or none at all. Just remove the bury functionality associated with mass dislikes, easy.
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It did on occasion. And on other occasions itâs just an echo chamber for dumping on someone who may be confused or having a bad time.
The problem with the like and dislike system is that instead of reading, thinking about what was said, and formulating a good response, people will look at whatâs popular and just bandwagon onto that. MOST people donât want to be on the less popular or âlosingâ side of an argument and when they see a large like to dislike ratio, most of them wonât even consider the opinion of the disliked post and just immediately move to flaming their opinion into the ground.
You post a fact with evidence and it has 22 dislikes, people arenât going to agree, or even consider what you are saying.
Sheep are going to sheep and removing the dislike button isnât going to fix that.
I regularly opened a grayed out post to see if it was deserved. Usually it did but when it didnât, I would reply asking for reasons and defending it. Other people did that too.
I think Virusâ post hit the nail on the head.
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I do like what he said here.
And I do agree that sheep are going to sheep either way, but removing the dislike button at least takes away some of the feeling of being invalidated that people have when they post something unpopular, such as why itâs good for the health of the game to remove addons, etc.
If your post just gets buried in dislikes immediately because people donât want to lose their addons, then people get discouraged and donât bother coming up with ideas on why they think itâs a good idea and it closes down discussion, rather than leaving it open which could lead to some really good compromises down the line.
I donât think itâs really a PR stunt completely, although that could be a contributing factor among many.
I think them leaving in upvotes is very telling. If they wanted to be truly fair, they should have done both.
Thatâs why I think it is a âPR stunt.â So to speak.
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It was pretty rare for me to be disliked a lot back when we had them, but when it did happen, iâd really take a step back and have a good hard think about my stance. Sometimes it was as simple as being on the âwrongâ side of an argument so iâd dismiss that, but other times it taught me that i was a little out of touch and my position was ripe for reevaluation lol
I think all forms of feedback have value, both for us, and for Blizzard. A company essentially putting their fingers in their ears and going âla la laa laaaaaaaaâ isnât helpful, itâs just pretending everything is fine when it isnât.
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What they did reminds me of that episode of South Park where Butters was forced to remove all negative replies and only show Cartman the good ones he received.
I will try to give you an example of a problem that occurred on the Brazilian forum.
At the time when there were dislikes, a Brazilian YouTuber and streammer along with some of his âfriendsâ took over the forums with a certain technique.
When someone unknown or someone they didnât like for personal reasons (competition, for example) made a topic, in less than 1 minute the topic was already hidden or blocked by a massive number of dislikes. The only topics standing were those that came from his group of friends, referencing him or his videos or that brought him as the center of attention.
This also occurred on YouTube (mass report), on Facebook in WoW groups (Brazilian) where a new person in the group who did not join the movement of loving this YouTuber or who they did not like could be banned from the group or be massacred with bullying. until the person leaves that FB or WhatsApp group.
He ended up gaining a lot of prominence and the blizz Brazil team itself helped him because they thought he was a big and recognized YouTuber (although he had some friends internally on the blizz brazil team too, but thatâs a rumor).
In the end, I personally knew of 2 cases where he used his influence to stop other people and their work, such as:
There was a girl who had a blog with wow arts and he wanted her to post news and recognition about him - if she didnât do this he would take her blog down using methods he knew - (and he even said he knew where she lived⊠which was characterized as a crime but she never wanted to report him for it) .
The second case, which even opened a thread of MANY, really, MANY complaints and stories about him, was about threats against another player that I wonât mention here.
Here is an old oficial statement about this case:
He also lost his career on Twitch (I donât know if he came back after that) when they discovered that he used criminal methods to increase his views on the platform.
noting that:
IT WAS ONLY POSSIBLE to bring this problem to light, AFTER the end of the dislikes on the forum, where threads STOPPED disappearing or being automatically blocked/hidden.
There was a YouTuber called âcrazy uncleâ (tio loko) who brought countless posts to light about this case.
There was a thread with more than 2 thousand posts just about stories about his threats to players, YouTubers, streammers, etcâŠ
he used mass reporting techniques in several places, at that time the topic could be hidden or blocked.
there were reports about mental abuse of players, bullying/âpersecutionâ of members, etcâŠ
And it all started on the forums with this dislike technique.
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As awful as all of that sounds, it all goes away if the bury functionality associated with mass dislikes is removed instead of completely removing dislikes themselves.
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do you mean about the topic disappearing or (like in the past) being blocked?
If so, it might workâŠ
âŠbut there is a question of âinfluencingâ people by number of dislikesâŠI donât know how that would work in the majorityâs mindset.
remove all the buttons.
forum has button bloat.
nerf forum.
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Yes true⊠I could use it to dislike this postâŠ