But that’s the issue. “Sub-optimal” isn’t the same thing as “not good”. And roster considerations are one of the things that are going to remind the playerbase that.
Well, it depends on what your trying to do.
If you are both filling a dps role in a raid (raiding being the main place this discussion happens), and you are doing 3x less dps, yeah I would place that outside the suboptimal and into not good category.
But what about the utility and buffs??? Cleanses, innervates, totems, blessings, etc???
Well, the healers bring the same thing.
Again, the content is tuned lightly so it doesnt matter, and having fun is probably more important.
If you claim to Classic for PvP, I can only ask, what is wrong with you?
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I love how people saying that the spec balance is bad means to so many people that classic should be easier. The game has always been easy, it’s why so many people played WoW. It was a casual, accessible, easy to play MMO.
Classic is an unfinished game, the specs and classes are sorta cobbled together and they clearly undervalued many aspects of the classes. So many class/spec rely massively on debuffs, and the hard limit of 16 debuffs makes most of those utterly nonviable.
If there was a classic+ that brought in a lot of the balance changes that TBC had, it wouldn’t also be very hard to just rebalance dungeon/raids to compensate.
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thats the whole crux of the issue really. if i could get high armor leather with defense on it i could compete with warrior tanks far better.
I done dungeons are they are mostly boring, but least talking to mage into polymorph and not waste mana on frostbolts is interesting
I think hybrids are fine and play as they should imo.
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classic itemization is the real issue, is what it is.
Cant wait for TBC
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It takes a lot more than gear to perform in the 90th percentile on classic too, or you havent been checking warcraftlogs
Why do retail characters come in here and spout lies that can be easily fact checked by just logging into classic and playing?
Ah yea. Dead game.
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I considered rolling a Druid but decided not to because I don’t see a plethora of leather caster and feral gear available from 1-60. I don’t want to roll on cloth gear and piss off the clothies. I don’t like the concept of wearing armor that’s below your armor class (ex. Holy Paladins wearing dresses). Aesthetically it’s dumb.
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Very true. Being a mix of all trades is actually pretty powerful in 5 man content.
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Paladins absolutely do ask why their tanking sucks.
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I think everyone hates the poor balance of hybrids. Blizzard’s intent and how the players reacted/forced things were at odds from day one, which is somewhat funny because Everquest had the same problem with hybrids and, despite a lot of the original WoW devs having played EQ, they didn’t learn a thing from that and kept it going.
You had Blizzard wanting hybrids to do one thing, but not actually making that something necessary, so hybrids get shunted to a single role because they lack the tools to be good at their other roles.
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As a paladin i agree mightily with this. And agree the slippery slope began here. 2 types of dungeons… flying… but it really didn’t get totally wrecked on the slippery slope till wrath introduced cross realm LFD/LFR. If they had just kept the LFD/LFR tied to your realm, it might have gone differently. Shrugs…
Last night in MC on my druid.
I did moderate DPS (didn’t top the charts, but wasn’t a wasted slot either)
I tanked multiple times. Picked up strays when one of the primary tanks got RNG’d out of existence or a taunt resisted.
I popped out and topped up my melee group more than once. Sometimes between fights so the healers could drink sometimes mid fight when the tank was taking more healing and the raid itself was getting low.
I Brezed a healer on Rag, popped an innervate on another healer and went back to doing damage.
Hybrids suck when you try to play them as a specific role other than a hybrid. Hybrid IS a role.
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The other hybrids have it kinda rough but shaman is great
Super strong raid healing
Top tier pvp spec in ele/resto
Insane damage in 5 man content as ele
Passable meme spec as enhance
All around great group utility as any spec
Ability to be pretty self sufficient in open world
Hybrid tax doesn’t really seem to apply to shaman unless you’re trying to be “meta” with some kind of snowflake build not suited for the content you are doing.
Vanilla wasn’t even a finished game. It went out of beta when BC came out.
and no one ever refers to it as a hybrid tax, including you in your long posts.
The people who complain about a hybrid tax are always people who want the damage side of tanks and healers to be on par with other DPS.
I gave a length explanation for why this is problematic, and is evidenced by Blizza’rd actions the past 15 years. It isn’t a new game, we can actually observe how they worked to tweak things and they did try to remove any aspect of the hybrid tax. It didn’t work, people complained, and they are now reversing.
Because if you had something that is simultaneously the best DPS and the best Tank, and heck, also the best Healer, then everyone will play that class and ignore the ones that can only do one thing. Why is it so hard to accept that some classes are meant to be healers or tanks?
Yes, exactly, but many people will read your post and only see “moderate DPS” because the complain is about their damage. Not seeing themselves high in the meters matters more to them than any of the other things you mentioned.
It’s a CHOICE, if you don’t like it don’t play such a class … or go stay in retail if you really think it’s better!