10/24/2018 02:42 PMPosted by
Aehl
Pathfinder is awesome. It's something to werk towards, only take a few weeks and you get achieves for it.
It's a win win.
Lose / lose as you still cant fly.
Nope. Because when flying comes out I would have done all the requirements and all the people whining about Pathfinder will still be walking everywhere.
I win.
I like pathfinder because once I get it done, all of my characters get it. I love flying but I don't care that I have to wait for now. Because once I can fly all of my alts can fly.
If we had to do it for every character separately, that would be annoying. Just like I still have to buy riding and flying on every character as they level is annoying. At least they took away cold weather flying, etc.
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You fly out of range of players and mobs, to completely avoid damage, all the time. That is the most stupid system I have ever seen in an MMO.
Druids and Rogues like to call the ability to avoid players, mobs, and damage âStealthâ. Maybe they should just give everyone Stealth instead of Flight. It would really heighten the danger feel of wpvp.
Regardless, it is more about avoiding tedium. There is really not much gained from dealing with random mobs that you have no interest in. For the record, I donât like getting stuck in traffic either... itâs a similar feeling.
People did the same thing in cata where everyone could fly everywhere. The only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP. If you are a city sitter, than you will always be a city sitter, flying or no flying wont change that.
So in other words, if you don't want to do world PVP tough luck?
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Druids and Rogues like to call the ability to avoid players, mobs, and damage âStealthâ. Maybe they should just give everyone Stealth instead of Flight. It would really heighten the danger feel of wpvp.
Regardless, it is more about avoiding tedium. There is really not much gained from dealing with random mobs that you have no interest in. For the record, I donât like getting stuck in traffic either... itâs a similar feeling.
I would be completely okay with that. While we are on the subject of that however, stealth in its current form is bad as well. But that wont ever change.
Also you forgot about mages, and hunters. which can also stealth.
Yes, though I feel like any content prior to current expansion should get rid of rep grind and give it to you upon completing major questlines and exploration achievements. I'm okay with the rep grind in current content because it makes business sense and keeps boots on the ground longer which subsequently means more chances of encountering others while you are out in the world.
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Druids and Rogues like to call the ability to avoid players, mobs, and damage âStealthâ. Maybe they should just give everyone Stealth instead of Flight. It would really heighten the danger feel of wpvp.
Regardless, it is more about avoiding tedium. There is really not much gained from dealing with random mobs that you have no interest in. For the record, I donât like getting stuck in traffic either... itâs a similar feeling.
I would be completely okay with that. While we are on the subject of that however, stealth in its current form is bad as well. But that wont ever change.
Also you forgot about mages, and hunters. which can also stealth.
To be fair, I have only played for a single month since they announced the flight changes in MoP, so I am a bit rusty on some character abilities (and ill be gone soon when the trial expires).
I seem to remember that Mages had a cool down that was too long to be effective for most questing , though that might have changed over the years. Hunters didnât even need Stealth in pve, since they could train mobs and drop Argo pretty fast.
10/24/2018 12:56 PMPosted by
Drygo
I don't mind not having flying during an expac. But, the idea of not having flying on a previous expac only makes leveling of alts even more ridiculous, which makes less people likely to do it, which makes less things to do in game, which makes less people playing the game.
Thats my view on it. I just came back and need to do pathfinder for the LAST expansion before I can even hope to do this one. Blizzard has been screwing multiple alt people for quite a while
I'm fine with Pathfinder.
Part 2 being randomly timegated well past the time we've seen the content on the ground and experienced it with at least 2 characters is where it falls down.
My biggest issue with pathfinder is the only time we can fly in zones is when it's not current content we will actually farm, and it's a bit too tedious to get. (traditionally. Especially WoD's pathfinder and I still think they should get rid of Tanaan diplomat.) BFA's part one wasn't too bad honestly. The only thing I'd like different with part 1 is not involving tortollans. That should've been optional.
I think getting Pathfinder should be shown you have done the content / quests and know what's going on(IE getting 8/8 in stormsong and all other zones as well as caught up on the war campaign ) , not just as a time sink that's a bit too bloated, like requiring Exalted with an allied race to unlock them, I believe that either it should be a quest line or revered.
10/24/2018 03:07 PMPosted by
Tache
10/24/2018 12:56 PMPosted by
Drygo
I don't mind not having flying during an expac. But, the idea of not having flying on a previous expac only makes leveling of alts even more ridiculous, which makes less people likely to do it, which makes less things to do in game, which makes less people playing the game.
Thats my view on it. I just came back and need to do pathfinder for the LAST expansion before I can even hope to do this one. Blizzard has been screwing multiple alt people for quite a while
Technically you don't need to have pathfinder for Legion at all. I mean it makes things faster and is helpful if you want to go back and do Legion content, but frankly you can earn that just like everyone else imo. Though it should be locked behind the major questlines and exploration rather than extensive rep grinds.
10/24/2018 03:07 PMPosted by
Tache
10/24/2018 12:56 PMPosted by
Drygo
I don't mind not having flying during an expac. But, the idea of not having flying on a previous expac only makes leveling of alts even more ridiculous, which makes less people likely to do it, which makes less things to do in game, which makes less people playing the game.
Thats my view on it. I just came back and need to do pathfinder for the LAST expansion before I can even hope to do this one. Blizzard has been screwing multiple alt people for quite a while
Yeah, if they would drop pathfinder on old content, I would probably resub and just adapt to being permanently an expansion behind. It would be better than nothing I suppose.
I just finished part 1 near the end of my second full month in only playing a few hours a day. Wasn't hard, annoying maybe, but not hard.
Hunters didnât even need Stealth in pve, since they could train mobs and drop Argo pretty fast.
I've never used stealth in PvE, but I have used it in WPvP. I like the effect more, although easier to see than a rogue or feral I feel like a predator. Hence my title.
10/24/2018 09:06 AMPosted by
Forums
I'm not a fan of it in terms of the delay each expansion. But I do accept the fact that this is the compromise we players made with the developers to keep the it in the game for future expansions. I also appreciate the fact they made it account-wide.
Since I have played this game since the latter days of Vanilla, I know exactly what turned the devs off for flight... Cata and the fact they were forced to give it to us off-the-bat. We did exactly what they didn't want us to do. Fly to quest giver, pick up quest, fly to area, do quest, fly back to turn in, rinse and repeat. We didn't fight our way down Mt Hyjal... the flew over the battles.
I do wish they would simply just come out with a time of release. Like "Patch 8.2" or something.
The players made no compromise. No negotiations took place. They created it to punish the fun-loving casuals they blame for having forced them to roll back their horribly unpopular decision to remove flight permanently, which they revealed in an interview on an obscure website on the Friday before a holiday that they'd been lying about it all along to string people along, because they knew people would quit. And they sure did.
It was an ultimatum handed down from above to spite us. "Do this or you'll never be permitted to fly, suckers!"
Hunters didnât even need Stealth in pve, since they could train mobs and drop Argo pretty fast.
I've never used stealth in PvE, but I have used it in WPvP. I like the effect more, although easier to see than a rogue or feral I feel like a predator. Hence my title.
My pvp character was a hunter. Played it enough for the battlemaster title. Sadly, I got burnt out and bored of pvp right about the time the Stealth ability came along... it probably would have been fun.
My pvp character was a hunter. Played it enough for the battlemaster title. Sadly, I got burnt out and bored of pvp right about the time the Stealth ability came along... it probably would have been fun.
I didn't level Lincoln until MoP, so I always had stealth. I think it's pretty intimidating, I remember grinding gear for the PvP portion of the cloak quest in Isle of Thunder and I'd see someone trying to sneak up on me and would go into predator mode, they'd run away. Much fun was had.
If they want to drive casuals to leave and keep their precious cargo of aging Vanilla whiners. It will be interesting too see how much faster the spin into collapse will take. There are FAR more casuals than hardcores. It begs to be seen how well a shrinking group of old veterans can keep it alive.
10/24/2018 03:27 PMPosted by
Tache
If they want to drive casuals to leave and keep their precious cargo of aging Vanilla whiners. It will be interesting too see how much faster the spin into collapse will take. There are FAR more casuals than hardcores. It begs to be seen how well a shrinking group of old veterans can keep it alive.
Although I'm certainly a casual I didn't mind a lot of the grinds when I first started because they made RPG sense and because I noticed the power difference right away rather than in a later patch. They don't even seem to be trying to make sense with PF, I'd be more tolerant of it if they did.
Pathfinder is ok. Flying should never been introduced but I understand it allowed the developers to make new ways to make enviroments.