My main gripe isn’t that he went against Sylvanas during BFA, that’s understandable, my main gripe is when he decided to start. Sylvanas was allowed to burn a world tree and commit genocide, allowed to gas Horde troops at Lordaron, allowed to have Horde troops committing warcrimes in Kul Tiras. All these things Baine doesn’t bat an eye at in the slightest and just raises his voice at Sylvanas and storms off.
Yet the second she brings back whats his face from the bottom of the ocean and plans to use him to hurt Jaina, then he quickly has his rear in gear quicker then the Alliance had theirs.
That’s because Baine, like Thrall, has a secret crush for Jaina. 
Well she wouldn’t be walking away alive in my scenario. I want her to be the evil crone she is, make her power play, and finally have her story finished. Thrall and Baine being in the Shadowlands gives her the perfect opportunity to take Thunderbluff.
Like Nyaria, I blame the writers for that. No one was allowed to thwart stage one (or two, or three…) because it wouldn’t have been a dramatic enough story, so people who should have taken action earlier had to be made to sit on their hands (hooves?) and let it play out.
They failed to come up with a good in-universe reason for the delay and that makes Baine look bad.
Although there are still Horde players who hate him for… literally being more loyal to the Horde than the Warchief of the Horde was. So he gets hate from multiple directions. One of the biggest problems Horde writing has always had is the existence of people who want them to be cartoon villain evil, which clashes horribly with the Thrall/Cairne tradition. With that kind of fanbase practically anything will upset someone.
It’s sad because it’s true. The focus has been on Sylvanas for a while now. They say the end of this expansion is the end of a saga or “book”. I sure hope so. I also hope they give more love to all of the other characters in this story and do a better job than they did with Sylvanas. Her story was only gaining momentum up until Legion and BFA.
You know that feeling you get when you’ve watched the first 6 seasons of Game of Thrones, and then you watch season 7 and 8 and think “something fundamentally has changed”. I’ve felt this way about the story of World of Warcraft for the last few years. It’s a tragedy - the story and the way it’s being written.
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The way I remember that interaction going was something along the lines of we hate you and wish you were dead but we still need your help to beat up the legion.
Its the classic villain and hero need to team up to take out an even biggerer villain.
And then immediately going back to hating each other so much we kill each other. It’s so silly, not to mention played out. I understand it’s World of Warcraft, but it’s not World of Idiotcraft. Somewhere along the way we have to learn from history and our mistakes. Many of the big characters in this story are not stupid, despite how they may be written sometimes - they’re pretty intelligent and competent.
Ye i agree, we shoulda refused magathas help so the legion could kill us. that’d show her!
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Lol absolutely! I mean, we’ve proved that the Legion is no match for us. I can see Magatha ruling the roost when we return to Azeroth. That could be interesting and fun.