I just watched some Preach and Asmongold videos about SL

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I know half of you hate one and half of you hate the other and I am getting no love for posting this.

But they both made a few very valid points. We are closing in on the release of SL, which means Alpha will be over soon and beta will have the same repeat process as every other expansion since WoD, nothing is going to get done until it releases in full and enough players complain and don’t do the content.

Players for years have screamed from alpha through to end in multiple expansions about how bad something is, but nothing changes, but today Preach made a point when testing the covenants, Blizzard purposely told them, and I am paraphrasing, “Don’t look into the current covenants until it is all released”. Why?

What are you scared of Blizzard, that we will find something broken, ask for changes that won’t happen and than say I told you so once SL releases, which is going to do nothing but force changes on the fly like has happened many times in just BfA.

Or did you want to wait until the entire covenant system is released and say “Look how good this is” and for it to be too late to make changes, which is going to do nothing but force changes on the fly like has happened many times in just BfA.

I get it, you get it, he gets it, that guy gets it. It’s your game and you can make it however you want, but at this since when, Cata? that you have flat out ignored players and lost a lot of subscribers, soon there will be no one left to pay for the game and therefore no one left at Blizzard to make the game, or whatever is left that does get made will be a shell of even what it is now and only a few handful of truly dedicated players will be still here.

Just listen to your players Blizzard, you know, the ones who play this game and have been for upwards of 15 years.

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They aren’t anywhere near closing in on the release of shadowlands. They only have done 2 zones so far.

months

When you start off your thread with inaccuracies how do you expect them to do this.

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You’ve made 3 mistakes here

You’ve talked about YouTubers
You talked about asmongold
You neglected GDs obsession with “meaningful choice”

Prepare your self for battle OP

I see someone is already trying to catch you on semantics

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Thinking someone doesn’t know what they are talking about is semantics?

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Sounds like you doin it again

If you have nothing to add you may vanquish yourself now

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So you think saying the game is going to be release soon when they haven’t completed 90% of it is accurate?

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To be fair, internal builds are always farther ahead than alpha builds that are pushed to testers. Who knows how much is actually completed, versus how much they’ve given testers.

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Look no one cares what you’re saying, you’re a level 12 classic player so you clearly don’t know anything because you don’t have enough experience in the game to have an informed opinion

Maybe next time you come to the forums post on a character that has got some experience behind it so we can trust your words on anything

Don’t agree with that I just said?

Don’t try to gate keep the OP then because they didn’t use hyper specific language - it’s a waste of everyone’s time

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I hope that any concerns raised by players at large during Alpha and Beta are answered if not addressed.

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You have been spending a lot of time responding to me for someone who doesn’t care.

I was correcting the inaccurate information OP was presenting. I suspect it is you that is trying to shut people up.

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I’m sorry what was the incorrect information?

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Hard to properly reply to this given the start, but yes as others have pointed out, the alpha is NO WHERE NEAR “over soon” and even if it was no reason to draw conclusions on the quality of the product based on that.

The most confusing comment made here is

I know you say you are paraphrasing, but…
Am I misunderstanding this comment some how?

Any logical person would say these words, because its the only logical approach.

No one is scared of anything.
The game literally isn’t developed yet and you are misconstruing just about everything about it in order to act like the company is slighting you.

I promise you, they are listening.
At least better than BFA.
Some will say that’s not saying much, but to me they have clearly taken a different approach this time around.
The fact that they are offering huge key systems for testing in the first month of the Alpha is such a big deal honestly.

Take a deep breath and realize that the doom and gloom you are painting is far worse than any mistake Blizzard can make.

If you are willing to pan the game like this because of a misunderstood phrase you heard from an influencer while under the assumption the game is coming out much sooner than it is…
Well take a step back and you’ll start to see just why they don’t take your advice:

In some cases, the player is just not informed well enough to be listened to.

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Feels like that I should start a game where I take a drink for everytime Asmongold is mentioned in a op/thread

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The entire second paragraphs is either not explained or objectively false.

Its impossible to have a conversation when the person leads with “They made great points” then only quotes a single thing out of context that makes no sense in the argument, and then follows up with a complete lack of understanding of the development cycle.

Harder still is it to imagine you sitting here trying to act like this is a logical thought process to go through.

I assume the OP just like mistyped or something. Failed to proofread maybe.

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I like your videos on YouTube

However I think we are getting caught up on the word “soon”

It’s got no measurement and people will say “oh it’s my birthday” soon even though it’s 3 months away

I’d say you could go with the OP is creating a false sense of urgency however you could argue the community has attempted to tell blizzard that things are about to go bad if they ignore feedback on issues like this and we all know how that’s ended

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Its the thing to get caught up on when some one is attempting to act like Blizzard is hiding something.
The stuff is literally not developed.

That is why testers are encouraged to test what IS in the alpha.

That’s the stuff they are ready to have tested.

“Wait for it to be testable” is not being scared or deceitful.
Its just simple logic.

Whether the system delivers or not, it doesn’t change any of these facts, and certainly doesn’t help anyone by acting like the game is coming out next month and this whole system hasn’t been tested properly yet.

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Tbh that kinda makes sense because maybe something will make up for it. It would be like healing on a druid without mastery, sit just doesn’t work. But and this as a jlo level but, my answer to that is “Well release it all so we can test it then. Don’t release it 1 week before live like you did with azerite”

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six to seven months at max is pretty close in terms of dev time left

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Wait for it to be testable might as well be the mating call of blizzard sycophants who will defend a broken system right up until blizzard themselves admit it is broken and fix it. You couldn’t run your rather different ineff stack build without the vendor but I bet if I dug through your post history I could find you defending the random nature of corruption within the last two months. Much like you defended the idiotic gcd changes.

Simple logic is have a system ready to be tested or don’t make a system that can have such a profound negative impact based on story choice. Instead make it changeable like talents which is what it should have been in the first place.

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I don’t think there has been any testing of covenants in raids or in PvP, and with two zones not open not even some of them in world content. I can’t see them making any real changes until they test them there anyway.

Calling for changes at this stage is premature in my opinion.

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