It’s really not. But your welcome to believe whatever you want
Not going to have a discussion with someone who already made up their mind about books
No, if anything it should be a prerequisite to post in lore discussions. At least it would be if I had my way.
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Something we can agree on. I thoroughly enjoy the WoW novels I do own and would be nice if more people read them before discussing the lore
Edit: I know we disagree on Odin, but I do like you and agree with most things you post. It’s nothing personal 
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Fair enough. Regardless, Vyranoth is lacking in most anything regarding a personality. You could swap her model with Tyrande or Jaina and get the same result. Odyn at east was entertaining in how showy he was.
And besides all that, Fyrakk was the best Primal by a country mile.
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I believe he’s still just cool with mortals in general-- even the forsaken concerning what they tried to pull on the Val’kyr. 
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Opinion noted.
But Razagath, Vryanoth and Irdikron were far more interesting to me.
Fyrakk was entertaining, but’s that totality of his personality
He’s not an interesting character to me. But if people like him, that’s fine.
I just hate when people get pissy that other people don’t find him interesting or likeable
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No no, you can not like him but often people get the wrong idea about several characters. Including the writer team. 
Recently we have Turalyon and Alleria swap mind about the horde. Originally Turalyon has more pity about the horde while Alleria considers tormenting them-- now Alleria wants unity with the horde and Turalyon dislikes the horde company. Odd, right? 
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Talking about Turalyon and his little banter with Gey’arah? That’s just people reading something that’s not there. Nothing he said to her suggests he dislikes the horde as a whole
It’s just military banter between two opposing leaders
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Imagine unironically preferring an old, lazy rejected biker who still hadn’t realized he lit his own beard on fire again, just because after he gave a relic to a baddie, you wanna think “but I just don’t think he meant to do that…”
The same guy who happened to lose his eye to Zovaal of all people. Just so he could watch Shadowlands of all places, and see the Kyrian of all things and decided “that looks cool, I should do things like the Shadowlands, because Shadowlands things are so awesome,” just so he could have his own Temu angels.
Yeah, I’ll take bad model ice dragon over that. At least Dolar Tree Else didn’t give up a body part for more Shadowlands.
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didn’t read all that backstory bs
Odin rezzed my war
Korkrons are up there so I can rp garrosh loyalist up there in the order hall
And basically
Helya is a h8r stay mad
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So did half the priests, druids and paladins you’ve ran dungeons with, pft!!
At best, Odyn is a dungeon or LFR healer who wants everyone to thank them for ressing, when they only needed to ress because they were bad at healing.
Odyn is a bad healer on top of everything else.
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I view it as this.
If Skovald somehow passed the trails before us and got his hands on the Aegis of Aggramar, as decreed by Odyn himself, Odyn would’ve given it to him. Helya could not hold us in Helhiem when we fulfilled her bargain (kill my champion and you can leave). Therefore it stands to reason that Odyn would be honourbound to do the same with Skovald. However, there is nothing in the rules that says Skovald can leave the Halls of Valor with the Aegis. And it is that loophole that Odyn would use to reclaim the Aegis from Skovald.
Pretty much this.
Passing the trails in Stormhiem, then the trials in the Halls of Valor (first 3 bosses and the 4 vrykul kings) gave you the aegis of aggramar. However leaving the Halls of Valor with the Aegis was to fight Odyn. You technically got the aegis, but the trails say nothing about being allowed to leave with it.
That being said. It is clear that when Odyn challenged us, it was a sparring match. A bit of fun. Originally if you died you were just removed from the arena (this caused problems in mythic + so at some point you just died outright instead). If Odyn was fighting Skovald though, then Skovald would be fighting the Odyn we would end up facing in the Trials of Valor. Holding nothing back.
There is a reason why Odyn himself directed us to the trials and gave us hints along the way under the guise of Havi. He wanted us to win.
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Odyn is nothing and deserves nothing.
It’s also worth considering that if Skovald had properly completed the trials and gotten there first, he wouldn’t be the dishonorable cheater he was, and would therefore have both been worthy to take the Aegis and not earned Odyn’s prior enmity by embracing the fel and defiling the rites of his people.
For all his other faults, Odyn’s not really shown to break his word once it’s given. He honors his agreements, which is why Vyranoth’s whole thing rang false, as it basically amounted to declaring that her beating up Odyn somehow makes the storm drakes not a bunch of oathbreakers for breaking their word, since it was their oath of fealty to Odyn that was keeping them there, not him subjugating their wills. It’d be one thing if Odyn had been shown to have violated some part of his agreement with them, thus invalidating their oath, but there was no such thing presented.
Then again, it’s kind of in keeping with a lot of modern storytelling to treat oaths - and promises in general - like wrongful blackmail. The frequent dismissal of old honor standards unfortunately tends to also include writing off associated parts about keeping one’s word as some sort of archaic and oppressive expectation that violates personal freedom, as if it’s somehow virtuous to be unreliable and untrustworthy because it’s “smarter” than honoring one’s obligations.
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The real reason Odyn sucks is he formed his army out of the souls of some of the biggest Jobbers in the series (what vykrul have honestly mattered all that much?) and ignored the opportunity to recruit any of the various legendary warriors that have lived and died on Azeroth
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Odyn is a boomer confirmed.
It’s all part of this Steven Universe style hyper-individualism narrative that the writing took a sharp turn towards after Shadowlands.
The problem is that there’s a difference from promoting independent thought and having a selfish juvenile outlook on society. We’re very much in the latter right now.
What Odyn did to Helya in the beginning makes him a major P.O.S and a hypocrite. I don’t really care that he Keeps his word and promises
Lots of horrible people keep their word/promises. Doesn’t make them good people.
This is probably going to be my last opinion on him.
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It’s just funny that people latch onto that when it’s clearly not supposed to a character defining moment for Odyn. It’s a vague anecdote only seen twice that’s only there to set up the rivalry between Helya and Odyn for Stormheim. We know very little about how it actually went down.
Like if we’re going to talk about effed up things characters have done but aren’t part of their characterization let’s talk about Vol’jin spending his entire life stealing souls to feed Bwonsamdi. It’s not even a secret, harvesting sacrifices for your tribe’s patron loa is a shadow hunter’s job. Doubly so when that loa is the Loa of Death. So anyone Vol’jin killed was forever separated from their loved ones in the afterlife.
I mean, we meet Odyn and immediately find out that
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Helya has a very legitimate reason to loathe him
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He took his ball and went home when he didn’t get his way vs the other Watchers
So I’d argue it is character defining to an extent
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