The moment she turned theramore into a military base, and was using said base to push into durotar, she declared war on the horde.
Interestingly I have already have proof that this was wrong/never really correct.
The war between the Horde and Alliance has been at the core of the
Warcraft mythos for years. Recently, a ceasefire was agreed upon by the
Horde chief Thrall and the Alliance leader Jaina Proudmoore, but the fact
remains that animosity is still high between the two factions. In some
places, this undercurrent of hostility has erupted into open warfare.
She was always Alliance. She had always picked a side. She might have wanted peace, like Thrall, but like Thrall, she had always picked a side and if push came to shove both of them would pick their factions.
Again with the gifs? Nothing better to show?
Since I was editing the post, go actually read it before responding
And the response was all of this was because the Horde wanted Ashenvale. If the Horde had stopped attacking Ashenvale. The Alliance would not care one iota about the Barrens/Durotar.
She made theramore a military base. Try to stay on topic
Guess I gotta educate you.
When Rexxar demanded an explanation of the humans encroaching on Durotar and the assassination attempt, Jaina stated she had no such knowledge. When Jaina agreed to help the Mok’Nathal investigate, they discovered the accusatory outpost was under attack from naga. After an encounter with a dying marine, Jaina realized with horror that her father had decided to pay her a visit. Jaina pleaded with the Admiral to spare Rexxar, but Daelin would have none of it. Rexxar and his companions escaped, and Thrall rallied an army to push back Proudmoore’s assault.
Jaina was in despair. While she felt loyalty to her father and her nation, her experience with the Scourge and the Legion convinced her that vendettas such as her father’s were immaterial in the grand scheme. Jaina helped the Horde gain ships from the goblins and ordered her own troops to stand down when they assaulted Theramore. Jaina’s last words to her father were to ask why he didn’t listen.
Theramore and Durotar remained at relative peace for three years, though the two former archenemies were still wary of each other. Eventually, a series of minor shipping incidents led to extreme tension between the two powers, enough so that the goblins, who controlled the region’s only neutral port, complained.
Despite the tension, Thrall requested Jaina’s aid in relocating a herd of thunder lizards displaced by a mysterious logging operation at Thunder Ridge. Jaina intended to relocate the lizards to a largely unpopulated region on the far side of Mulgore but was astonished to discover that the area was magically warded to protect its single inhabitant: Aegwynn.
As the Ruler of Theramore, Jaina led the town and was found in her tower. Having partnered with the Stormwind kingdom, she insisted on making a summit between Thrall and King Varian Wrynn. Varian was convinced by his son Anduin but during a journey by the sea, Varian mysteriously vanished. When an investigation about the missing King Wrynn and the Defias Brotherhood was going on, she and Tervosh helped to capture Hendel who was allied with the Defias Brotherhood.[31] Around the time of Zul’jin’s fall, Jaina was able to discover that the Defias Brotherhood who kidnapped Varian was allied with Onyxia.[32] She immediately sent this information to Bolvar.[33
After Onyxia was killed, Jaina was also the primary instigator in proposing an alliance between the humans of Stormwind and the orcs of Orgrimmar on the way back to Theramore. Varian was convinced and she traveled to Razor Hill where she met with Thrall and told him the story of Varian. The orc leader also agreed to the meeting, despite having reservations since Orgrimmar sentiment was becoming increasingly restless with the arrival of Garrosh Hellscream.[39] Jaina then returned to Theramore, where she prepared for the peace summit, and ultimately welcomed Thrall and his advisers: Rehgar and Garrosh. Although the conference had a promising start,[40] it was ambushed by Twilight Hammer cultists comprising of races from both the Alliance and the Horde. The attack sowed distrust between the human and orc delegates who had suspicions that the opposite faction may have lured them into a trap. Ultimately, the attempted assassinations on the human and orc leaders effectively ruined any chance of a human-orc alliance.
After the death of Bolvar Fordragon, King Varian Wrynn prepared the forces of the Alliance for all-out war against the Horde. Desperate to avoid a fourth war, Jaina teleported to Orgrimmar to uncover the truth of the recent events in Northrend. There she learned from Sylvanas Windrunner that an uprising broke out and that Varimathras had taken control of the Undercity. The renegade Horde traitor, Grand Apothecary Putress, was in league with Varimathras. Thrall assured Jaina that the Horde had no official interest in a war against the Alliance unless provoked and that he would take care of the traitor. Jaina told them that she shall deliver their explanation to Varian, but warned them that he may still pursue war as the late Highlord was like a brother to the king.
Jaina’s assessment proved correct as the forces of Thrall (attempting to regain control of Undercity) and King Wrynn (hoping to reclaim it as Lordaeron for the Alliance and bring Putress to justice) clashed at Undercity. Refusing to allow the Horde and the Alliance to descend into open war, Jaina stopped the Alliance army cold (literally) and teleported them back to Stormwind.
After the Deathbringer was slain by a team of Alliance adventurers, Muradin Bronzebeard, fresh from the Gunship Battle, was unwilling to allow Varok Saurfang to retrieve his son’s corpse. But when King Varian and Lady Jaina teleported to the scene, Varian ordered Muradin to step aside and let a grieving father pass, to which Jaina burst into tears out of respect for her King.
Jaina attended a memorial ceremony in Stormwind that honored those that died in the War against the Lich King. During which a report arrived of a brutal attack on a night elf caravan by supposed Horde members. King Varian Wrynn was considering violent action in response to the mounting tensions between the Alliance and the Horde. Jaina was able to persuade Varian to stay his hand and pursue diplomatic measures first by reminding him that even he could not control his own people as evidenced by the Defias; though Varian subsequently reminded her that she has a penchant of putting her trust in the wrong people as evidenced by Arthas.
After this, Jaina secretly met with Warchief Thrall to garner an explanation for this blatant violation of their peace treaty agreement. Thrall explained that he did not authorize this attack and he has been given demands by King Varian to condemn the attack publicly, turn in all violators over to the Alliance for justice, and to show good faith that the Horde was willing to continue peaceful relations with the Alliance. Thrall was only willing to declare his intention to continue honoring the peace treaty but refused to publicly condemn the attack as rebuking the pragmatism of staying alive, even with violent measures which he disliked, when the Alliance purposely cut off all trade with them and are causing them much suffering would be too cruel an attack on his people’s identity. Nor was he willing to send violators over to the Alliance for judgment. Though Jaina understood the position Thrall was in, she none the less urged Thrall to find a way to meet the Alliance’s demands as his noncooperation was only pushing the Alliance and Horde to all-out war.
Later on, she provided sanctuary to the exiled Baine Bloodhoof, who was seeking aid against the Grimtotem tribe. Magatha Grimtotem orchestrated the death of his father, Cairne Bloodhoof, and has seized control of Thunder Bluff. Sympathizing with Baine and impressed by his budding friendship with her ward, Prince Anduin Wrynn, Jaina agreed to fund Baine’s rebellion with untraceable Theramore gold. Anduin learned from Jaina that Varian is taking SI:7 agents to assassinate Moira and liberate Ironforge. After a long conversation, Anduin convinced her to create a portal to Ironforge so that he could dissuade Varian from that course of action.
So her entire history from Warcraft 3 to Cataclysm is ‘I want peace between the Alliance and the Horde, please stop this bloodshed’ and then the Cataclysm pre-patch hit and then she does a complete 180 and is suddenly pro-war between the Alliance and the Horde.
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Read my lips. That is not why she was angry at Garrosh. She know full well it could be a target. Honestly, war doesnt care if you are a “valid” military target.
She however rightfully blame Garrosh for starting another war and the brutality of said war.
Because the leader of the Horde changed. I’d also point out she was willing to go to war as of Shattering if it was proven the Horde commited the skinning crimes.
Irrelevant to the topic at hand. We’re discussing why jaina was wrong to be mad about theramore when she did that to herself by turning her city into a military base
Which is incorrect. The only one who destroyed Theramore was Garrosh and his ilk and she had every right to be mad at a warmonger.
The city was always a military target. The whole “valid” one is really laughable considering it seems the Horde does not really care about it being valid. Only that it would push whatever goals there evil minds had.
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She turned her city into a military target my guy
It was always a military target. Garrosh would not care whether you are a valid target or not. Ask the worgens.
Further proof that Garrosh does not care if one is Alliance or not. As long as it pushed his goal.
On that note. I wonder how many women and kids were killed by the Horde in Gilneas? Heck, after hearing what happened to the Gilneans it would be foolish of Jaina not to get involved.
Gilneas wasn’t even in the alliance at the time it was attacked. The ONLY people who seemingly cared were the kaldorei
So I leave you this
Realistically, depends on how well Gilneas evacuated from the Horde advance.
The Forsaken use a very WWI-esque war aesthetic which is a notable period for not being squeamish about shelling cities.
That is my point. Gilneas was not in the Alliance and yet Garrosh still attacked them. So much for this theory that neutrality would save Theramore.
Because the night elves CAUSED the worgen curse. They felt responsible for it.
I’ve always thought Baine should have seen Theramore’s (Jaina’s) invasion of the Barrens as a huge betrayal. She was cutting the tauren off from their allies and apparently didn’t bother to send him a message telling him of her reasons for doing so, despite being such good friends with him.
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So you at least admit jaina didn’t care because she clearly never got involved
She would have cared that Garrosh invaded a neutral country.
Why would she? Even being “friends” with Jaina, Baine only warned Jaina about Garrosh not because he was “friends” with her but because he felt he owed her for helping take back his city.