Much like Blizzard, I too, forgot about the dance studio.
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At the time, Blizzard may have sincerely believed that garrisons sufficiently addressed the desire for player housing.
In response, there were a lot of threads during WoD that insisted Blizzard had it wrong â that even if they considered it a form of housing, it didnât meaningfully satisfy the features people were talking about when they used the term.
Today, Blizzard has â in two separate interviews â changed their stance, theyâve updated their definition and are now using the word in the same way we are.
Itâs a way for them to say, âOK, we get it now. We understand what people were talking about when they used that word, and garrisons arenât it. Hereâs our new take on it.â
Then they showed off and discussed housing features that map on perfectly to what people wanted: we can decorate, collect furniture, redesign the interior space of our buildings, clip furniture into each other to make new decorations, and have a freeform decorating style that doesnât apply to preexisting hooks or anchors â to name a few examples.
If you want to take Brewaâs stance that Blizzard has falsely advertised their product to the extent that none of the defining features outlined and showed off through gameplay and virtual tours are really going to make it to Midnight, and theyâll make it a private instanced hub required to access the rest of the expansion, then sure, theyâre garrisons.
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i have a poh in OSRS, i use it to level prayer and i have some portals there. No one else has access to it lol. It will just be a thing taking up space on a server for me. Im not into decorating and no ones going to care about some solo delver dudes shack, given theres going to be millions just like it
I donât either.
Over the years, Iâve become more welcoming and more understanding about people who play this game solo. While Iâll never understand it fully, I can respect it.
Additionally, as a long-time player of WoW (TBC 2007) housing as a major feature, getting a LOT of love and art screams cash shop. Itâs foolish to think Blizzard isnât going to stuff the store full of housing crap.
First off I am surprised some players are still trying to not understand what the new housing is or still trying to understand the system thatâs coming in.
Iâm going to quote you here Daloris the most as it feels like you have some of the best take on not understanding of what is really going on. Yes games have overhyped, over promised, what games havenât? The main issue, if you watched over the last 6 months some people, even former warcraft players who went to FF 14 or other games just say Garrisons 2.0 after just 1 blog post and after blizzard even added more details after that 1st post, they never made videos or talked about this subject again.
Unlike past features blizzard tried to add in, many of those features came in during Alpha/beta but this time Housing is just different. When they showed the housing tease during 11.1 showcase at the very end saying itâs beeing worked on, it showed cased this wasnât something they would just scrap during Alpha/beta, that they had been working on the system behind closed doors (Ion mentions this they started it around DF, thatâs 2+ years of behind closed doors development).
The moment the showed us the footage of how furnishing was being handled around 3 months ago or so, even before Ionâs interview showed that this was no Alpha/beta but it had been under developed over years. Garriosns, and other scrapped content only went through a few months of testing, not years which debunks my fears and many otherâs fears over housing.
Content streamers outside Asmongold and former WoW players who speculated the worse were proven wrong during the Boston show case when they got a first hands touch and even at Gamescon it was more polished and developed. Unless sitting under a rock or still jilted over what happened with WoD or any other expansion for the last 6 months and now only seeing the talk about it in Midnight, those people have low bars on this system.
This is why there is so much excitement towards Housing coming in 11.2.7 (so thatâs not even Alpha/beta midnight) for many players including people like Belluar, Preach, Pryo and many other streamers including many many other players through the game. For all those like you, like the OP who canât fathom this wave (not saying hype because everything that has been shown is LIVE footage). When it comes to this system itâs not a 2.0 system, you donât need to dabble in it, there is no player power attached to it. Itâs just another avenue of game play you may or may not play.
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Where are you pulling this âin most games it turns into ghost townsâ take? Just looking at other modern mmos, their housing systems are both constantly added to and very popular. In FFXIV not only do I see more people in a housing district than I see in a WoW capitol city, but when a housing plot goes live for auction there are camps of people waiting for the first second they can bid. In ESO, housing is a constantly added to system showing it clearly pays some dividends, and is also used extensively as guild housing in tandem with personal housing. No idea which modern mmo youâre playing where housing is a âdead waste of timeâ.
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Is not an adventure game, itâs a coloring book. Been said in the thread, already.
Essentially a single-player game with some optional multiplayer stuff, much like State of Decay 2 or New World.
I mean thatâs not an answer to my question, but also ainât no way Iâm reading 400+ comments in case my single digit comments wasnât a good enough indicator Iâm a forums tourist. FFXIV is the âcompetitor mmoâ regardless of your opinion on it, so it still stands as an example of how player housing could take off, though I can concede FFXIV has a much larger casual f-around playerbase. Canât say that ESO is much of a competitor to anything but it also stands as an example that mmo player housing has legs, and continues to walk on them
Sure itâs an answer to your question: Theyâre different genres.
Building is a central part of something like Green Hell, too, but that doesnât make it comparable to WoW.
But then my question still stands, where are these âindustry standard mmosâ where player housing flopped?
It was genuine curiosity, I havenât the mental capacity to be getting into beef
The older stuff that came out before (or around the same time as) WoW, and are therefore in the same mold.
DAoC, AC, UO, things like that.
SWG was a bit different because it was exclusively player-driven content and housing/cities was woven into that. So it had more durability, there.
Canât say Iâm familiar with those, so Iâll take your word for it. Thanks for the answer, maybe Iâll hunt down some video essays to educate myself on em
I think youre rightâŚâhousing failed, see Garrisons for proofâ lol.
NoâŚgarrison were NOT housing any more than the Halfhill farm was housing.
just because its instanced for our character alone doesnt make it housing.
The garrison was an activity hub for our character, nothing more.
that it had some stuff we could add to it doesnt make a war based garrison into player housingâŚnot by a long shot
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you missed the point then.
40% might be the âminorityâ compared to the 60%, but 40% is still a VAST percentage of the total baseâŚEVEN IF its only 38%, as some joker above claimsâŚthat is STILL a HUGE number of playersâŚcalling it a âminorityâ in an effort to trivialize the number is absolutely preposterous in this context
Itâs not exactly hard to change your answer or intent after you get it wrong. Yeah garrisons became quest hubs, but no one was saying that pre launch when blizzard was like âhey guys we want to do base building as housing.â Thatâs a an idea with tons of potential, they just killed it by having it be anchored to content that would be dead in a year and a half. Iâve even stated I think this attempt will do better because itâs going to be anchored to a hub players still use. Iâm not sure how more accommodating I can be while maintaining grounded expectations.
I donât care what footage was shown by a youtuber, or a trailer, or whatever, 11.2.7 is far enough away that it isnât even on the PTR yet which tells me anything shown is subject to change. Hell, even if it made it to PTR, thatâs still subject to change. Itâs happened before, and will likely happen again.
If suggesting you should temper expectations based on past things being promised and not delivered makes me âuninformed,â well, best of luck out there and I hope itâs as theyâve promised you.
You must not have been paying attention to any of Blizzardâs communications on housing so far. Theyâve already confirmed most of the features I listed:
- Changing the interior of the house, including walls, floors, and ceilings
- Rearranging and placing furniture
- Furniture dye system
- Adding multiple floors and hallways
The only thing thatâs less certain is placing mounts and pets since I donât think theyâve discussed that in depth yet.
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Thatâs great. Iâm still not holding my breathe that half of that makes it to a live server.
Because its in high demand, and if they tried to dps or tank their terribleness would be too obvious.
The biggest amount of player base that will love and do Housing is the big time collectors of mountsâŚpets and toysâŚand achievements âŚI am freaking happy housing is finally coming too WoW âŚgives me something more to do in game since I canât really raid or pvp anymore nowâŚI tried to do the last wing of new Raid using LFR and that last boss the crap all over the screen just drove me off the raidâŚI just canât handle all that stuff flashing around even though I have my setting turned down âŚstill too much for me and my eyesâŚmakes my head swimâŚ
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People still do Shadowlands for mogs. That indicates nothing.
Garrison is tied to achievements, mogs, and some easy money sources. It is also the closest we ever got to player housing and was clearly inspired by it to some degree. That it had some value at the time does not mean that it is comparably successful to housing, a feature which keeps people playing otherwise dead MMOs.