You don’t think they’d also be upset if they were reduced to mundane levels of power?
They do that every time an expansion comes out and they’re struggling to collect Reindeer gallbladders in a new zone. I don’t think it will bother players nearly as much if their avatar can’t oneshot deities anymore as it would if they’re just loldeadforever.
Permadeath fixes the problem, permenantly. Nerfs just let people continue to complain about relative power levels.
They could do both at once with shadowlands if they were clever, but something tells me they won’t really nerf power that much. As for the meaningless tasks - that will never end.
While that is true, I was even going further into it where you didn’t even have to stay in a single quest hub inside each zone. you could just leave at any point.
But yeah, what you said 
i kinda agree to that… personally for me i think its more appealing, most people want to feel they´re awesome, sure i did read some posts of people who just wanna be just one more, but if i have to guess there is a lot more people who just prefer to feel they are great without the necessity of being the hardcore 1% guy who did something to be actually awesome.
when people feel like they are just a piece of garbage, just one more and completely irrelevant they feel frustrated, and because of that frustration they will simple stop playing… thats my theory of why they are taking that route for mmos, because only people with a decent self-esteem wont mind that at all
wod maybe yet we still are the general… but tbc its a nonsense, there´s 2 dungeons in tbc that includes an arakkoa god, and another dungeon includes the echo of an ultimate powerfull existence that can consume entire planets…
and you simple beat those 2 in a dungeon of tbc, its ridicolous
I think he means “permadeath” or like “amnesia” or some silly reason why they start referring to us as “soldier” instead of your “highness”.
I mean at this point shouldn’t we just overthrow Anduin. We are certainly stronger.
You can’t really be just a simple adventurer and have an overarching narrative at the same time.
If that were the case, each zone would be its own little self contained arc with its own problems that are resolved by the end. Raids would just be the monster of the week with no real depth. There wouldn’t really be a story to follow at all.
You can’t just be present for the kill on world ending threats and not be recognized for it. Heck, by the Burning Crusade, the player was already recognized as an official part of the faction’s military, and not just a no-named adventurer.
I call it the “cog in the machine” instead of “Supreme Commander” mindset difference.
I like being a cog in the machine for my fantasy stories because it’s more immersive. If I am the supreme commander, then the king knows me personally. The famous cinematic NPCs know me. The leader of the opposing faction knows who I am.
This limits the main storyline and makes it far less engaging. The fact that I have saved the world multiple times but don’t have a house or home in any city, anywhere, is absurd.
That the king calls me “champion” instead of calling me by name is both awkward and ridiculous. The idea that I am still expected to defer to people like Tyrande when I’ve done more for her people in the story than she has…is absurd. That I have fought Nathanos Blightcaller to the point of death on several occasions and he hasn’t formed a squad hell-bent on my destruction is a defiance of his character. That Sylvanas doesn’t know me by name and send people to hunt me down…I could go on.
Most importantly, when I’ve been established as the Supreme Commander, famous worldwide and 2nd-only to the Warchief in consequence, the quests where I happen upon a village and someone has the gall to ask me to help them fetch things become grossly absurd. They would have prepared the village to receive me; they wouldn’t ask me to help them kill weeds in the back 40.
It ruins the story and the immersion for me because of how limiting it is.
Being a cog in the machine instead of the Supreme Commander allows me to be someone of moderate fame and respect in the world without breaking or limiting the flow of the story. That’s why I prefer it and why I find the supreme commander style of RPG play far less interesting.
This is why, when I RP, I am a lowly, unknown priest of no rank. Making myself some kind of famous high-up in the hierarchy becomes awkward and unbelievable and much harder to RP in interaction with the people around me. It’s about believability and just logistics in the game’s story and world.
It makes sense for Blood elves. People just love gatekeeping Blood elves because they are jealous xd.
Explain what changes were made to appease classic players, i need a good laugh.
Why not just have the initial raids be the culmination of each zone kinda like BC?
When they add patches, add small zones with new dungeon and a new raid.
I don’t mind being called a hero, although i would prefer adventurer, but I find it immersion breaking when the game makes it sound like I am the one and only hero when I can clearly see other adventures out there performing the same tasks I am.
So now I just pretend they are wording it that way due to either being overly politically minded or to bamboozle me into doing stuff they don’t want they or their men to dirty their hands with.
I am pretty sure it is not something you need to worry about.
This is how all rpgs progress. Even in old school D&D you eventually started punching gods in the face.
FYI if there being that many adventurers out there was actual canon then there would be no life left on Azeroth. You know in Boralis there were not 5,000 horde fleets each stopped by a different adventurer.
I don’t know why but for some reason this trend reminded me of this vid on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDoNp_hTB1M .
If we as players could have a real choice that would have major effect forever id be fine with how things are
Like we choice sylvanas we get kicked out of horde and follow her as the New scourge or something but they are to lazy so they just give us 1 -2 lines in the citys that is just worthless …
He was asked if Classic influenced anything in Shadowlands and he pointed to the Covenant choice dynamic.
Did you hear? A group of adventurers took down insert bad guy name!
Me: “Oh that is nice, I have to go round up this farmers sheep.”
I am not a hero. I am the one that goes around doing random things like saving the farmers sheep. I am not there beating the bad guy. Yet I am treated like some big awesome hero. I am happy just wandering around doing random things and eating gnomes.
You’d be surprised. Fame and fortune can wear on people. Because they realize its not all its cracked up to be. The freedom to go down to the local bar without all sorts of comments can be exhausting.
A lot of real world actors eventually decide that life was better when nobody knew who they were. They retire and avoid the limelight. Because its tiring.
It’s like that, “Moon’s haunted” meme. But with axes.
While becoming the savior of Azeroth within 24 hrs.
It dosen’t really. Given we were outright told ‘blood elves have elveolved past blue eyes and it wouldn’t make sense any more.’ literally weeks before they anounced the blue eyes. I’m just going to assume the blue eyes are high elves rejoining silvermoon, and not just blood elves managing to somehow undo the fel corruption, that we were told we couldn’t undo.
