I played 6 Random and Epic BGs last night and backfilled 5 of them. After that I played 7 rated 10v10, lost 5 games but no one ever deserted in the matches.
Why is that?
Don’t tell me that Rated 10v10 and Random/Epic BG are different, I heard that hundreds of time in SL. Why can’t people just stay in game despite losing?
The issue is that there are too many uneven matches and the reward for staying doesn’t exceed the penalty for leaving. I stay because I use it as an opportunity to try different strategies but I really only have a solo effect in WG and maybe AV if I play one of my tanks. More than anything I stay so others don’t have to back fill, it’s my mess I’ll fix it. Got pulled into a SS last Friday, killed 1 guy and died; 84 honor.
I mean you might not wanna hear it but this is just facts.
Rated BGs are… well rated, players tend to want their rating number to go up so they are less likely to leave/throw/not try.
Also RBGs generally tend to be a group in voice, people are less likely to dip out early when they’d have 9 people yelling at them in disc for it and potentially get blacklisted by that RBG lead, compared to a random bg where you’ll likely never see them again and have no ramifications for leaving besides deserter debuff.
Random bgs/ epic bgs are lower stakes, lower rewards with little to no social ramifications for leaving. So of course people will leave them more than the rated variant which has higher stakes, rewards and potential ramifications. It’s unfortunate, it’d be nice if everyone stayed every random BG, but that’s just the world of warcraft we live in.
Rated matches will be matched at MMR level, so you should expect somewhat even matches, unrated aren’t matched at all, you could be fighting 2400 players for all you know. Also the fact you make the group you go into with on rated, so if you fail that’s on you, yeah you could make a premade for unrated, but the people leaving probably aren’t.
Are there penalties for deserting a rated BG?
If you abandon a RSS game, you lose like ~150 CR/MMR.
because rated players know that even if you go down say 0-2 in wsg or something you can make a comeback. Ive won EoTS with 3 seconds remaining and capped a flag for the win. I’ve been like 35-400 in arathi basin but turned it around so it was a 1500 win for us.
Most rated players know when to quit. Sometimes we just get crushed and thats ok too. The other teams opening system works better than ours. or vice versa. or a good leader will notice that team fights are unwinnable due to lack of dps or heals or something so they just say “run it back” unless you want to wait in que for another 2 hours if your a dps hoping you get picked up…
and lastly. Most rbg players are connected to communities so they are playing with buddies. most rbg players dont rage quit because they will get kicked from a community and no one will want to play with them.
You can NOT compare random bgs to premade RBGs. You can’t bail on your team unless you don’t plan to play with that group again. Finding new RBG groups is not a cake walk and it’s much worse when you have a bad reputation (for leaving). The RBG community is significantly smaller than the random queue playerbase - you can’t afford to burn bridges.
There’s little point to leaving in RBGs. If the game is hopeless it’s faster to decide as a group to let the enemy win. In randoms you can’t control your group this way. With rating on the line people are less likely to give up until things are completely hopeless.
and this ^^^
thats why i dont want the rbg community to change or anything because of this it remains somewhat healthy. yes you get the nerd rager and all kinds of idiots in rbgs. but they get systematically removed. M+ should really look at this
Easy, because you can typically tell if it’s going to be a horrible 20 minutes or competitive from the first fight. You can get your butt whooped for 20 minutes or take a 15 minute break. Easy choice.
In rated you can actually come back or even outmaneuver a more powerful team. With a pug this is rare. Not saying you can’t win after losing the first fight because I’ve done it. But if you get wiped the first fight like your team isn’t even wearing gear there is a very high chance you’re not only losing but will be spawn farmed.