I don't care about Horde players

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I find the idea of two tauren mostly known (well, one is known for it. Apparently the other wasn’t much known at all) for their membership in a neutral-but-nelf-aligned druid cult and the Horde superhero who once again saved all life on Azeroth to be given some visitation visa to gaze upon what they helped bring into the world far less immersion-breaking than the alternative.

Amirdrassil isn’t Orgrimmar. Comparing helping to save Amirdrassil and literally helping to shepherd it’s birth into the mortal world to joining a massive assault to kill Garrosh is a false comparison; Orgrimmar’s existence isn’t owed to the Alliance hero. The Alliance hero did not stand by the Seed of Orgrimmar as it grew into the City of Orgrimmar. Orgrimmar was a just and righteous assassination mission, and Amirdrassil is not that.

Amirdrassil exists as a second chance. It exists as a second chance for the night elves, but also for the world. We all justifiably crap on Blizzard’s storytelling, and they go way too heavy-handed with it, but that is the message of Amirdrassil; it’s a second chance, and a time to try something new.

And that is the night elf story since Beta in a nutshell. Fandrel tried to restore the night elven immortality the tried and true fashion; a world tree. He didn’t get what he wanted, the first experiment awoke Yogg-Saron and the second(?) attempt was corrupted at birth. Pre-Third War, the night elves were a people isolated from the world and when confronted with other races now living on the same continent as them, they went from Hyjal to the most isolated of treehouses, stuck on an island in the middle of the ocean. It… Did not end well. I can go on with dozens of other examples, as can you all, so I’ll move on from this whole “repeating the mistakes of the past”.

But we have seen, especially recently, the night elves trying new things. First they give a home to worgen refugees and that… Well, doesn’t get much development at all. Moving on! More recently, the heritage armor quest is all about trying the new. And it’s primarily focused around the single most traditionalist character they could hope to use!! Maiev is not known very well for her willingness to try new things, but by the end, even she sees the value of the new.

And Amirdrassil is the culmination of this. Instead of an isolated island in the middle of the ocean, it’s a part of the Dragon Isles. Instead of continuing to keep the kaldorei isolated to Northern Kalimdor, Amirdrassil has portals to connect it to all night elf holdings, effectively going from isolation to global. I’m still very sick, so I’ll stop with the heavy-handed “embrace the new way” analogies of Amirdrassil, but trust me, there is quite a lot.

And you know what would be the worst way to get that message of “embrace the new” and “we can all work together for Azeroth”?

Saying “hey, look, I know your actions literally made this moment happen for us, but I’m’a gonna go full xenophobic racism and nail up this sign that says no blood elves allowed. We can all come together and move into a new age, but not you.”

EDIT: Also, Amadis? 10/10 on that title!! You actually got me!!

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Wow, I really do not like that toy.

Part of roleplaying is interacting with other people. You can already tune out and ignore people’s advances. But completing making other people invisible will ensure that people will use this and only RP with their already established cliques. They won’t even see nor interact with people they have that are undesirable. Hopefully I’m wrong but I think that might actually kill off RP on MG, and RP in this game will be 100% dead.

Unless this puts people who all have the toy and are in a party in their own private phase of the world, I don’t see this working out for the best. I can’t imagine how jarring it would be if it allowed someone with that toy to still be out in the world but they cannot see nor interact with you interacting with them.

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Hammul has and always will be welcome to any NE land. It’s just watching undead and orcs there feels so out of place.
At the very least only Druids from the Horde should be allowed in.

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Time was, Night Elves were so insular and xenophobic that the idea of them allowing their allies into one of their cities seemed kind of far fetched.

Maybe three expansions in the pumpkin patch has tamed them.

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Xenophobia has been basically written out of the Night Elves, and placed on Azshara and her followers specifically instead.

In WoW the Night Elves brought the Draenei and Worgen into the Alliance, and before it was burned there were even Void Elves walking around Teldrassil.

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Unless I was playing Azshara and her followers during WC3, that’s a pretty big retcon. But it’s been a problem since 2004 so complaining about it now is fairly disingenuous of me.

I’ve let the Night Elves go a long time ago.

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Even in Warcraft III Malfurion suggested working with the Orcs and Humans the moment he saw them. While Tyrande has never been good at diplomacy, that does not mean the rest of the Night Elves were not as well.

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I stopped really caring about “oh no who’s walking around my city” a long time ago

Warlocks
Mages (Teldrassil only)
Death Knights
Worgen (Stormwind Only)
Demon Hunters
Void Users
Man’ari (Alliance Only)

Time was, all of these would have been expected to be hiding their presence in their cities if they were allowed even that much leeway. Now the narrative is OK with their presence in most cases and the roleplayers have followed suit. (And why shouldn’t they?) Opposite faction members have shown up on capital doorsteps more than once asking for help.

Being upset about Horde visiting Amirdrassil just doesn’t make sense. Not even by the very permissive mode of ‘sense’ that pertains to Warcraft, nor is the justification of Horde helping to save Amirdrassil even needed (despite it being accurate). We have thoroughly cosmopolitan cities in this game with heavy trade. Just going to sit there with people at the gates going “no, no, your skin is too green; you may not enter because you might have an army hidden under your clothes”?

I don’t even think it makes sense for the existing cities immersively; it’s a PvP mechanic that’s outstayed its welcome long after the death of meaningful world PvP.

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The OP’s take was entirely reasonable…

Is that allowed?

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Of course it is. We are all allowed to think and express ourselves. This is what the forums are all about.
We all have out thoughts about the direction Blizzard is going anyways…

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where were you for the past three expansions???

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Watching Shandris make connections with Thalyssra, Lor’themar, Horde players, Bolvar, and now Lilian Voss.

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But not watching her ish on the player character, apparently.
Nor Tyrande.
or any other nelf we’re forced to work with.

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Responded to that already:

You worked with other Night Elves besides Tyrande and Shandris? I don’t know of any Horde exclusive dialogue after Shadowlands from any other Night Elf characters.

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It’s a good thing I bought up canon examples of other nelves being xenophobic to the horde pc then which completely dismantles your presupposition that nelves aren’t xenophobic, then.

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No you didn’t. Which is exactly why I asked if you had any examples.

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Whomst are Maiev and Shandris for $500, Alex.
:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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You have mentioned no other Night Elves in this thread but Tyrande and Shandris before mentioning Maiev just now, who you have not worked with since Legion.

Alex is disappointed in you.

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Amadis: how can i worm out of this one single phrase that proves that I’m wrong.
Also Amadis: I’ve got it, by ignoring it!

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You have provided no examples of any other Night Elves you have worked with in the last three expansions that has treated the Horde player badly, so your phrase has nothing to support it.

Dreadmoore: I have evidence! And my evidence is I said I have evidence!

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