I don't agree with the Community Council structure and I opted to not read people with golden texts

[Teksuo-grizzly-hills]

i like golden more than green i guess. theres that

i read them

[Zushiba-nordrassil (Zushiba)]

@Kittredge-azjolnerub

I got a laugh out of this either way.

But, the CC is a good thing, and Blizzard are going out of their way to try and listen to feedback. So I support this.

I guess, it just looks like an organized way to ignore the vast majority of the playerbase by upholding a few people who simply shouted the loudest.

EDIT: Though I will admit that’s only an opinion based on next to zero information other than the blue post linked above and everything I’ve read in the last ~10 minutes. So my samplesize is pretty crap.

[Mirasol-mannoroth (Mirasol)]

@Kazghani-wyrmrest-accord

Which would be fine if some members weren’t very obviously using that gold text to organize others who think it actually means something to go on and abuse things like mass reporting.

What are you talking about? I have yet to see anyone organizing some sort of mass reporting exercise. I know there is some drama around some discords, but I think only one person is in those? or maybe was in the past? Not sure. I don’t use those.

If someone is falsely reporting they are going to get in trouble - esp someone with high visibility.

The only time I will suggest reporting someone is if they are breaking the code of conduct. Rather than get into an argument, report and move on.

@Humanbeak-drenden

Mass reporting and doxxing.

Nobody on the CC has done either one of those things. I have never seen anyone post real life information of anyone. Maizou has referenced being doxed themselves, and refrained from saying who because it would involved a twitter account with real life info. They did not post it.

These kind of accusations come off as witch hunts.

[Kazghani-wyrmrest-accord]

When there are dozens of people coming off of a 30 day forum posting ban all around the same time on innocuous posts disagreeing with one specific member of the CC, like saying they have had a bad take or that their ideas just wouldn’t work for this game…well there’s your sign.

And no, it’s not you, so far you seem to be the only CC member to take the position seriously.

[Kittredge-azjolnerub (Kittredge)]

@Teksuo-grizzly-hills

i like golden more than green i guess. theres that

i read them

Blizzard should change everyone’s white text to brown. Best April fools joke ever. No one will be able to see the text, bahaha.

@Zushiba-nordrassil

I guess, it just looks like an organized way to ignore the vast majority of the playerbase by upholding a few people who simply shouted the loudest.

I know that’s how it can look, but when there are already a lot of people shouting, what you need are clear heads and voices to make articulated points.

@Zushiba-nordrassil

So my samplesize is pretty crap.

I suggest just interacting with them like people, because that’s what they are at the end of the day. Most of their posts in GD are just jokes and having fun or trying to address peoples concerns.

[Itaachi-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

That and any form of undead paladin makes me want to slam my head against a brick wall till I bash my skull in.

We’ve seen multiple examples of Paladins pulling power from things other than the Light - Tauren pull it from An’she, and Zandalari pull it from the Loa.

^^^

This point of Maizou makes sense regarding making case for void elf and forsaken paladins

[Mirasol-mannoroth (Mirasol)]

@Kazghani-wyrmrest-accord

When there are dozens of people coming off of a 30 day forum posting ban all around the same time on innocuous posts disagreeing with one specific member of the CC, like saying they have had a bad take or that their ideas just wouldn’t work for this game…well there’s your sign.

So all these people know each other and compared forum penalties? Also, they got 30 days? That is a penalty that usually means they have had many previous suspensions. It starts at one day usually - unless it is something really bad.

You know, you make it sound like a group of people targeted a post/poster they did not like then got a vacation for it. I obviously can’t check into it though. I have no access to the account histories of anyone and Blizz would never share account info.

I don’t know which post or idea they were responding to. Disagreement is fine. Encouraged even. It needs to be non-personal though. Debate the idea not the human. Too often people wander into hyperbole and personal attacks instead of sticking to the topic at hand.

Constructive feedback, like the mini discussion in this thread about leveling and what would make it more rewarding, are useful. Different ideas but presented respectfully.

[Zushiba-nordrassil (Zushiba)]

Mm I understand. I am just looking at this from the perspective of someone who has lead some pretty massive Internet communities for over a decade. Any time you raise someones’ status above others it’ll cause animosity in the community.

There’s no way around that. Even if it’s done with the best of intentions, and that’s when there’s zero actual benefit to the status given.

In this case, there IS a benefit to the additional status. These people are purported to speak for other players, yet they weren’t elected by the players. It sets dangerous precedence, while at the same time devaluing the contributions of the average poster.

I speak as the top mod of a subreddit with over 2 million subscribers and a player since vanilla.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Itaachi-proudmoore

Tauren pull it from An’she, and Zandalari pull it from the Loa.

Anshe is literally the sun.

The LoA of kings uses light magic similar to naaru, he can grant light powers similarly to how alliance paladins do, through a ritual with light users.

@Itaachi-proudmoore

This point of Maizou makes sense regarding making case for void elf and forsaken paladins

No. No she don’t.

And secondly class skins is no excuse for making a class available, that is going against the spirit of why the concept was created in the first place.

[Tharmak-grobbulus]

the existence of the community council is flawed

its not gonna take too much effort to allow everyone to post and moderate it properly

its useless if rando people are handpicked specially

[Bettywont-stormrage]

@Rejectdegens-dalaran

What is your stance on the matter?

A reasonable one. I don’t place higher or lower value on anyone’s comments based on the font color, only on the content of their posts.

[Itaachi-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Anshe is literally the sun.

The LoA of kings uses light magic similar to naaru, he can grant light powers similarly to how alliance paladins do, through a ritual with light users.

Yes but regarding void elves…it won’t be light but power of void being wielded similar to light.

Spells will be different but the core idea will be a dark paladin

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

@Itaachi-proudmoore

Yes but regarding void elves…it won’t be light but power of void being wielded as light.

Spells will be different but the core idea will be a dark paladin

This sounds like a new class, not a paladin.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

But moderators cost money! Blizz no like spending on customer service!

Bobby no like it!

[Tharmak-grobbulus]

make one more store mount

the whales will cover the cost

[Itaachi-proudmoore]

@Tovi-moon-guard

This sounds like a new class, not a paladin.

Maybe but Maizou made a strong case though

It felt well thought out to me

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

That is one a class skin, and 2 the natural properties of the void do not support doing what a paladin does.

A person that weilds innately the power of the void would warrant a brand new class, not a skin of am existing one.

[Icaañul-stormrage]

I don’t see the point. Some of them can’t seem to form a coherent sentence. My issue with it is it’s just another avenue to control what is expressed and promoted as “valuable feedback.”

I’ve personally seen a couple of them rage in GD for no reason other than to attack criticism.

It’s not like it is very hard to use your own brain and filter out what is honest feedback/criticism.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

But then they cannot pocket that money!

[Humanbeak-drenden]

Nah, they’re getting pretty bad too. This post reeks of creepiness for example:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-remove-references-to-boomer/1228064/41

“I think I know who the person is, but I can’t prove it and Blizz won’t tell me that kind of thing, obviously.”

Why even mention whether Blizz would or wouldn’t reveal someone’s identity, on top of the rest of that sentence? Weird.

Although I did find hilarity in them posting “a lot of bnet accounts”. Otherwise they’re emitting creepy vibes.

Of course, that CC member, along with another in a different thread, tries to reinforce “they’re breaking the rules!” in these sorts of threads and encourage mass reporting.