I dissagree with the Light being the Bad guys

What we are learning is that Good vs Bad doesn’t having anything to do with Light vs Void.

Cosmic Forces and Magic are tools that are pulled upon and used for a characters own motiviations whether that be Good or Evil – Example:

  • Scarlet Crusade : Evil - Utilizing the Light to Purge anything they consider an abomination, including ANYTHING that isn’t devoted to the Light

  • Yrel’s Army of the Light : Basically the same as the Scarlet, but significantly more powerful - Join the Light, become Lightforged, become a slave, or die. Your only choices.

  • Shadow Priests : Wield the Void / Shadow for Good

  • Warlocks : Wield the Fel for Good

  • Elune : Night Warrior - Requires a Sacrifice to perform the ritual, and then sacrifice yourself to simply wield its power for a short time – Can be used for Good or Evil based on the previous Night Warriors from Shadowlands.

Magic is a Tool, not a Morality.

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Why are some corruptive (Fel, Void) while others are not (Light)?

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The Light tried to corrupt Illidan and called it a Gift.

Corruption is forcing a change on something that isn’t willing/knowing of those changes. imo

Not what I’m asking. Lightforging is not the same as wielding Holy magic, the latter of which does not corrupt the user. Dabbling in Fel or Shadow/Void is dangerous in a way that the Light, Nature/Life, Elementalism is not.

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Thats because of the characteristics of the magic itself.

Fire for example in real life - Necessary to purify water, cook your food, and keep your warm – but has the ability to completely and utterly destroy you in one of the most agonizing ways possible.

Fel is Sacrificial magic, if not wielded correctly it consumes you to fuel it.
Fire is the same, it requires fuel. Even if the fuel is you.

Void is mostly not understood - its a realm we have very little knowledge about outside of people opinions that already consider it an enemy.

Many members of the light are driven mad through devotion. They become Zealots.

The Void is opposite, they are driven mad by becoming aware of infinite possibilities. Total freedom, no rules.

i mean i’d argue that all of those powers also have been demonstrably ‘corruptive’ in their own rights, if by ‘corruption’ we just mean a deviancy from a being’s default settings. malfurion can’t wear any shirt with sleeves, the primalists were all sorts of saturated with elemental magic, and hell even the original silver hand paladins were ‘corrupted’ by the light, inasmuch as it altered them thru infusion.

Let me ask you this.

Is fire good or evil?

Fire can be used to burn down your house, it can be used to burn you, it has uses that are destructive.

Proper use of fire, can cook your food, it can keep you warm, but even if you intend to use fire for these purposes, without controlling it, it will be very destructive.

So with that in mind. Is fire good or evil?

The answer is of course: “Are you stupid? Fire has no conscience even if it can have either beneficial or negative effects! So therefor it can neither be evil or good”

Exactly!

That works for IRL.

But once you realize Azeroth has sentient FIRE ELEMENTALS, that arguement doesn’t really work anymore.

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doesn’t mean every fire is sentient

Still have to factor that into ones arguement.

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Fire doesn’t corrupt your soul or make you a void puppet.

Extra Crispy is a state I think most people would actively avoid being in though :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

We’re talking about morality—good/evil—so corruption would mostly concern, for example, if a type of power were more or less likely than another to result in a practitioner losing their mind and attempting to usher in an Old God or demonic invasion or the like simply by virtue of dabbling with said power.

The only instance we’ve seen of The Light heading down that road is AU Draenor, but even that seems like it was brought about by lightforging (and not just paladins/priests being perverted into it by virtue of Light use).

But fire burns your body.

Sorry, but fire and the void and the light are the exact same principle.

They are non-sentient things that have inherent effects and then various other effects depending on how you use them.

Also, basic campfire is not an elemental, get real, please.

Basic campfire is the warchief.

Cutting yourself with a sword is not the same as a sword corrupting you.

A person who is capable of wielding fel magic without succumbing to corruption can still self immolate with fel fire. That is not the fel being corruptive, that is fire being hot.

And are the sword sentient just because it can make you bleed? Is the sword good or evil? A weapon is made to kill, is it evil? Because all it can do is what we determine is morally evil… so… is the sword evil then?

The entire point have always been.

Regardless of the inherent effects the void or the light has, it does not make neither the void or the light inherently good or evil, because they can not be. To be good or evil, you would need sentience, you would need to be able to think and act with an abstract mind. Neither the void or light does that, they just are. Fel does not do that, Arcane does not do that, Fire does not do that, a sword does not do that.

They just are, they are just used by certain people. They just exist. They are not evil or good, they just are.

If swords made people go insane and start summoning demons or faceless, swords would be evil, yes.

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Even if it was just an enchantment?

Lol.

Nah, I don’t think you actually believe that a sword is sentient.

Could be the sword belonging to that vampire boss from shadowlands though.

But no, neither the Light or the Void have any sentience. We know that for a fact, that was stated as a fact a long time ago, and nothing have yet to oppose that.

The playerbase are just being fools, really.

Not all Fire Elementals are Evil though – Fire is what they’re made of.

We’re like 78% water. Does that make water evil because someone decides to murder someone else?

Magic is a Tool

Anduin wields the Light for Good - Whitemane wielded it for Evil.

The Priory dungeon, which isn’t in this M+ rotation - literally has Arathi wielding the Light against us, at some points we fight Lightspawns (Light Elementals).

If it is the enchantment, the enchantment is evil instead of the sword. The thing that produces the existential threat is the evil in the equation.