I Dislike Timed Mythic+ Dungeons!

[Ussliberty-blackrock]

@Caelus-proudmoore

Then don’t do them!

Lolz, good luck doing any content involving incremental improvement of your character (IE the reason you play an RPG over a pure action game) without farming gear from M+.

[Saeba-thrall]

Well there are a lot of players that the only thing they do in wow is pet battling and world quests, I couldn’t do it I’d probably /wrists if that was the only content I had access to, not saying it’s bad but that would be hella boring to me.

I’ve had people tell me the only reason they play wow is for pet battling, I would think their monthly sub would be better spent elsewhere like on pokemon games or something lol.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Sentenza-alexstrasza

World of Warcraft is a resource-management game. Time is the biggest and most important resource you have to manage. Content that has no time-constraints is non-content.

Having time-constraints is not what defines content.

Interaction defines content.

@Sentenza-alexstrasza

Nobody will care what cosmetics you have received from Torghast.

Where or not there are time-constraints involved in earning a reward is not the deciding factor in whether or not someone cares about and/or admires other player’s cosmetics.

Pretty is pretty no matter how you got it. And the same with ugly.

[Verarielle-hellscream]

I’m not even sure why timers are a problem when most of the people who pug are not even that good/coordinated in the first place.

[Saeba-thrall]

There are a lot of great pugs above 2300 RIOS, anything below that is typically groups that have like a 75/25% chance of failure. I’ve been a heavy pugger for years even when I’ve been in top 50-300 guilds, I enjoy it but i have high standards when I make or join groups which lowers the chance of failure. But yeah typically anything less than 2300 you have to worry if they’re mechanically capable of doing content.

[Floofshire-area-52]

@Vanillanoob-fairbanks

I hope these timed mythic dungeons lose popularity in time and stuff like torghast or any other content takes over because I do them once or twice each dungeon and im bored. Either that or keep the Mythic+ but remove timers and have the timers only for achievements and for fun for over achieving players who obsess over that crap. I dont care about time trials im not playing speed runs of old n64 games or sonic the hedgehog here. It is supposed to be a cool MMORPG not a 3rd person time trial.

I hate hate HATE Mythic+. It’s probably the one game feature that I truly just detest. I don’t see the point of it, and it seems to be a meaningless system that was added that doesn’t have any connection to the game’s lore or story at all.

“Here’s a random game mode where you just skip bosses and mobs and there’s an arbitrary timer, have fun!”

That said… I don’t like it so I don’t do it. Hats off to people that enjoy it. It affects me none.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Impervious-destromath

I want to play in the NBA, but don’t feel that I can because the rim is way too high and I’m way too short.

The NBA should lower the rim to 3 feet so that it can be fair to all and so I can participate.

Apples and oranges.

The NBA is professional sports league where the players are paid to perform.

WoW is a video game where the players are paying to play.

[Saeba-thrall]

I’m the opposite, I really couldn’t give a crap about the lore lol no offense, but if I wanted a story I’d go read a book or watch a movie. I had an old guildie that once you started talking about lore would not shut up I would roll my eyes every time.

[Floofshire-area-52]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

@Impervious-destromath

I want to play in the NBA, but don’t feel that I can because the rim is way too high and I’m way too short.

The NBA should lower the rim to 3 feet so that it can be fair to all and so I can participate.

Apples and oranges.

The NBA is professional sports league where the players are paid to perform.

WoW is a video game where the players are playing to play.

Not to mention NBA takes genuine skill and genetic luck to participate in.

[Feigr-dalaran]

A lot of people DO like m+ though. Removing something just because you don’t like it makes no sense. The answer is to add more types of content to include more people. Hopefully Torghast is a step in the right direction.

[Nobleshield-moon-guard (Nobleshield)]

The major thing is it appeals to the modern gamer: ultra-competitive, everything has to be the most optimal, you need to show how good you are sort of gamer. It appeals to e-sport and streamer culture.

What it doesn’t appeal to is the previous “generation” of gamer that doesn’t want everything to be seen as a competition to see who is better and wants more RPG elements not more e-sport elements.

[Floofshire-area-52]

@Saeba-thrall

I’m the opposite, I really couldn’t give a crap about the lore lol no offense, but if I wanted a story I’d go read a book or watch a movie. I had an old guildie that once you started talking about lore would not shut up I would roll my eyes every time.

That’s me! I can go on for hours and hours about lore! lol My gf is like you, so she always openly snores when I start talking about lore.

[Floofshire-area-52]

@Nobleshield-moon-guard

The major thing is it appeals to the modern gamer: ultra-competitive, everything has to be the most optimal, you need to show how good you are sort of gamer. It appeals to e-sport and streamer culture.

What it doesn’t appeal to is the previous “generation” of gamer that doesn’t want everything to be seen as a competition to see who is better and wants more RPG elements not more e-sport elements.

That is seriously a solid explanation. I don’t understand PvE “competition” at all. This obsession of world first and mythic+ championships and whatever is completely lost on me.

[Nobleshield-moon-guard (Nobleshield)]

@Feigr-dalaran

A lot of people DO like m+ though. Removing something just because you don’t like it makes no sense.

I’m fairly certain that the vast majority of “remove M+” posts really mean remove the timer or otherwise make the timer inconsequential. Since too many people treat the timer as the entire focus and not a bonus.

That’s the major issue. It’s not even the timer itself it’s how people treat it and as a result how they behave in regards to M+ as a feature.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Orcnroll-illidan

Give them more of a chance, try to improve by looking at guides and popular builds for your class in M+, I’m sure then you’ll come around.

They don’t want to improve, they want to have fun. They do not find timers fun and would like them removed so they can enjoy the content at their own pace.

[Nobleshield-moon-guard (Nobleshield)]

@Floofshire-area-52

This obsession of world first and mythic+ championships and whatever is completely lost on me.

I suspect a lot of just the same sort of mentality that leads to celebrities being important when most of them aren’t really that special. Streamers/e-celebs are worse because they are just average people who don’t do anything special or important besides playing video games.

It may also be living vicariously through them. Like how people get super excited about sports.

[Verarielle-hellscream]

@Floofshire-area-52

I hate hate HATE Mythic+. It’s probably the one game feature that I truly just detest. I don’t see the point of it, and it seems to be a meaningless system that was added that doesn’t have any connection to the game’s lore or story at all.

Sorry but there’s not really a lot of lore or story to be learned from dungeons, and it’s not like the lore/story is any good now in WoW.

[Saeba-thrall]

You don’t have to adhere to the timers, we’ve said this before.

[Floofshire-area-52]

@Verarielle-hellscream

@Floofshire-area-52

I hate hate HATE Mythic+. It’s probably the one game feature that I truly just detest. I don’t see the point of it, and it seems to be a meaningless system that was added that doesn’t have any connection to the game’s lore or story at all.

Sorry but there’s not really a lot of lore or story to be learned from dungeons, and it’s not like the lore/story is any good now in WoW.

On the contrary, the lore and story of a zone usually ends in the associated dungeon. Also, I quite enjoy the lore and story in WoW.

EDIT: What I meant by my original comment was that the timer has no connection whatsoever to anything. It’s not like the “timer” in Visions, which is representative of you losing your sanity to N’Zoth’s corruption.

[Saeba-thrall]

Tbh I don’t have a single ounce of knowledge into the lore nor do I care to, as far as I’m concerned burn it all and focus on the game play. I play wow to be competitive, gear is my reward along with mounts and pets, I seriously don’t understand why someone would go through every npc reading text, get an addon to skip all that. Reading quests was fine in vanilla but it’s just a waste of time now in my eyes.