I want blizz to do away with horde vs alliance as being separate factions… they just cant do it right and it halves the questing content players have access to. Ever since the original talent has left blizz, they have been butchering character storys and horde have not felt right since TBC. The lich king as a separate entity from Arthas was not explored in game and really felt anticlimatic that horde didnt get a connection to the lore.
Saurfang started the war because it was agreed it was inevitable, Genn tried to assassinate Sylvannas. Since then we have had one dimensional storytelling with very infrequent moments of player agency which everyone is kind of suspecting will amount to naught.
How can you have Saurfang as being the redeeming grace for horde players and yet have him absent from the entire xpac? The things the player character has done
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The problem is they will not let one side win. There no reason why not. Then do the next expansion or patch where the other side fights back and when freedom. Many games have done it and did not cause that much harm.
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Just bring BACK Hellscream. And watch how he will smack everyone around like insects including thrall the cheater
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I mean im pretty sure he’s good as dead. Saurfang is a human change my mind.
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I don’t like Saurfang, doesn’t really come off as intimidating, awe inspiring or really anything that i would like in a Horde protagonist/leader.
I don’t really like any of the main protagonists this expansion, especially not Alliance. I don’t have a huge issue with Sylvanas however i don’t like how she is shaping the Horde, i would like her character if she wasn’t Warchief.
I miss characters like Vol’jin, i miss the characters that really embody their culture and race.
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Awww, did he hurt your feewings? 
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The problem is the new writers have no love for the horde and no respect for the nuances of the alliance. Horde are neutral evil or more specifically the main narrative of horde is neutral evil warchief and the rest of the horde passively participating until one plot reveal, all of a sudden horde NPC X works together with the alliance and it was only this one subset of the faction that was evil.
There is no nuance to the story anymore, Alliance are generic good guys and horde have been given no reason to fight them post legion. Blizzard are following the Tolkien style writing, everything is setup from the get go and its just about how they complete the errand. Any ambiguity or self determination of morality has been removed from wow.
Its no longer a savage fantasy world we are all trying to survive in.
I would love to see a Hellscream at the helm and being all about the glory and conquest without the needless genocide. Horde should be savage and all about satiating their immediate needs, e.g owning land should not be a thing bought with gold, owning land should come from the right of being able to defend it and push back rivals. Whisdom should come from elders warning the price of expansion needs to be paid in blood. Where as alliance need to have elements of greed and selfishness which the horde push back against. Sick of alliance being altruistic, Azeroth should be so savage that altruism dies out.
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I’m ok with unresolved conflict, or small victories building momentum, heck I would be happy with horde consistently losing every mass engagement and only getting small moments of fist pumping fury… playing the underdog was always the greatest thing about the horde.
For me its the writting, they are just not hitting those high notes and are phoning it in… like the setup to BFA of Saurfang leading the war campaign that gets shelved and his role in it brushed aside so he can now be this messiah?
Saurfang is a coward and now licks the boots of Anduin. This new Horde will be the lap dog of the Boy King and eat scraps from his table.
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Saurfang will grovel in fear of Jaina. Saurfang will weep openly when Anduin marries.
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I feel the same. People don’t expect subtle, nuanced characters from Blizz, and so they misinterpret them when they are presented. His actions are both understandable and believable given his situation and history.
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Bah, screw being Warchief. The Banshee Queen of Azeroth. Lets take over the fraking world.
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I don’t care who the War Chief is as long as Sylvanas’ supporters stay dead.
A Revenge is still owed to me and I want to have it before this war is over or we can never stay in peace.
I used to like Sylvanas but she’s too far down a path now where I can’t follow. I just hope that at the end of all this, she can find peace and forgive herself for letting Quel’thalas fall.
That scene with Manduin really was rather pathetic. I never knew an orc could reach that high an octave when whining.
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I can tolerate a villain with laudable and logical reasons, I could tolerate a genocide in order to save many more people or destroy a global amenasa but it is not the case of Sylvanas.
But those who do evil for just doing evil or just to get an obgetive that is not worth it or that is flat insane and only benefits them makes me lose the papal.
She has not explained nor blizzard has done all we have is a promise of a “victory” plan.
Turning everyone into undead is a suicide plan even as if not dead for the simple reason that bodies rot or simply die again killed.
completely destroying the Alliance is a planetary suicide because it does not leave at the mercy of emptiness or any other amenasa without mentioning how badly the horde will be left in the process.
Forcing the Alliance to destroy the horde causes the same result and that is what is happening at this step, there will be little left of the horde and the alliance will be very battered.
He has not sold to the ancient god.Why? Eternal life? Lifting more bags of bones I do not know or care.
It is simply a crazy plan.
True and we really do not win any mass wars. UC i think was first.
I think so too I think. I know as mostly an Alliance player I just don’t think anything short of death is needed. Though I think it would be totally cool if at the end of the expansion they take the one thing Sylvanas cherishes: her free will. Like give her to the Lich King or something where she can still be “alive” but can never be her own individual again. That would be fitting. Then the devs can keep her physical form (something I think they are very attached to) but she’s as mindless as they would like to make her. Then her mindless decisions fit.
OK i bite. were is this in game? Been looking. So far we seen her at opening and that it. I do not see her chasing down and killing very single being of a race(IE, genocide).
She never said anything about turning anyone into undead. If she wanted to do that she had about in 4 times in Wod, 3 times in MOP, and very good one for both in legion. Nope no undead. Books maybe. It still does not explain with all these opportunities she has not done it.
Destroying alliance not necessary bad thing. game wise maybe if not done right. It could lead to some epic fun. As far destroying horde. You guys only attack neutral races and destroyed there ships and wagons. UC you lost city. So far i have yet sen a win against the horde. If there is one. i dont mind being wrong.
As far war that one i agree. It beyond annoying with the rebellion thrown in for good measure. They need to stop this weird writing. It starting to make me think they get their ideas from a two year old.
Hey if she bad and is going to wipe out the world. i stop after she stops alliance. Just need proof that all i ask.