The issue with the rep grind is that it's so artificially gated and there's only a handful of things you can do to earn it before you have nothing left. All I cared about was unlocking my Nightborne and Dark Iron Dwarf. Once I ran out of WQs... that was it. There was literally nothing else for me to do. 7th Legion of course had warfronts, and weekly expeditions. But expeditions are garbage and you probably have a higher chance of getting titanforged gear than actually getting rep tokens from it.
I'd be fine seeing the rep gains from WQs take a hit if it meant I could throw on a tabard and run some dungeons and more actively grind out the rep required. But I absolutely cannot stand this Farmville artificially gated BS. It's so frustrating to want to do a specific goal and I simply can't due to the way everything is structured. Even chipping away at a few points at a time feels better than the game just saying, "No, you can't do this anymore." At least with timelocked raids, they're such a huge investment you probably want to take a break after doing one anyway.
I think too it's the game saying the only way to do it is "X" when there are so many other activities that are neglected. Why can't you get 7th Legion rep doing PvP? Why are crafter/gatherer rep quests so minimal? I feel like you should be able to get rep doing whatever activity you love doing rather than it just being these really lazy, boring WQs.
I know there's the argument that Blizz is just Farmvilling the game to pad out sub time, but leveling a character from level 20 takes time too. A lot of people have flat out quit the expansion learning there's such a tedious and restrictive investment involved in unlocking the races. Honestly if 7th Legion didn't have all the Zandalar WQs and Nightborne had the benefit of Legion stuff not being boosted to 120 I probably would have unsubbed as well.
I feel like if the scope of unlocking these races went beyond grinding the same handful of WQs over and over again and the artificial timegating was removed people would be more satisfied with the system overall. That's what I have an issue with, not the idea that unlocking these races are an investment. It doesn't feel like an achievement, it's just a test of patience.
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I do not care how easy, hard, or whatever it was to you or how you felt about doing it. That's totally irrelevant to the precedent this sets. Especially the crapstorm of this we'll have to endure if we stomach this shady time grab.
Just because you will swallow it smiling does not mean I, or the many others that have quit regarding this, will. It's quite obvious they know they've made a mistake with the changes they're making. I don't care how easy they make it. It needs to go away entirely and people whose idea it was put on mop duty for a few months.
A shady time grab you are not forced into doing and will eventually achieve without putting in much time just by doing the emissaries? Much as you might think otherwise the races are not required to play the game. You can play it just fine without them. And if not being able to play a race is all it takes for you to quit then bye, you won't be missed.
Again, as I've said numerous times, if the best this team can come up with to retain subscriptions is to gate races, or classes, because they're too damn lazy or inept to come up with fun or engaging content then we need a new team.
You're not "forced" to do anything in this game besides pay the fee to login. What the hell does that have to do with them gating races which were never gated before?
Oh, I'm sure the masses that quit over this are missed. They're lessening the reputation required and lessening the experience required. Probably too little too late but we all know how hard it is for Ion to admit he's wrong.
You're ability to suffer through a tedious time-gated world quest humping trickle grind does not make you hardcore I'm afraid. I've did it and was anything but fun or engaging and at best it was just unnecessarily tedious to unlock that which should have never been gated in the first place.
I understand that, but you're playing the wrong game if you don't like grinding and/or time sinks. Heck, you're playing the wrong genre. RPGs have grinds in them. They have since I started playing them in the early 90s.09/08/2018 03:04 AMPosted by GadrenI understand for some people grinding things for weeks on end is not a lot. But for me and many others, who have a LOT going on in their lives and can't play a lot, or maybe they don't have a lot going on but they just don't find it fun, it's pretty horrible.
You need to stop. Just because someone likes what you don't doesn't mean that they're a "green knight" (whatever that even means):11/11/2018 07:22 AMPosted by ChraceJust because you will swallow it smiling does not mean I, or the many others that have quit regarding this, will. It's quite obvious they know they've made a mistake with the changes they're making. I don't care how easy they make it. It needs to go away entirely and people whose idea it was put on mop duty for a few months.
Allied means whatever Blizzard wants it to mean, regardless of whatever you think about it. If you don't like it, move on to something that you do like. We all have that choice. Stop trying to change a fundamental part of RPGs. I'm not going to throw a fit that there is first person shooter elements to Call of Duty and call for that to be changed because I don't enjoy it. What you are doing is just as silly.11/11/2018 07:03 AMPosted by ChraceUse the green knight allied semantic
11/11/2018 07:42 AMPosted by MilkslaveOkay I have so many problems here... Anyone who complains about "Farming Rep" has not even done it. Coming from a person who has unlocked every allied race up until now and has already done the rep for the next two I can say almost all of you are wrong about it.
It does not take "3 hours" to do the WQ's for all the reputations. After doing it myself I have found out it takes upwards of about 30-45m and that's not even using flight paths to get around. If you want the allied races you have to farm for them.
I can make the same argument for things like in BC where you had to daily grind for Netherwing Drakes, in Vanilla you had to get Hydraxian Waterlords rep to even start doing the raid itself.
Stop complaining on the forums and do it, once you do it then you can complain all you want but then you still ended up doing it.
Miscellaneous mounts, gear, and recipes are not equal to a new race. Dungeons in TBC gave reputation, too.
So swing and a miss!
I completely understand where your coming from but it's a reward to hey them. Allied races would lose there desire if blizzard just gave them out.
first
not the fault of the game if ur not doing thing proprely , even as super mega casual u should be able to be at least around 360 ilvl which is quite big for casual.
because of warfront quest ,azurite emmisary etc
overall the fact u can barely hold urself against stuff isnt bcause ur casual , its because ur doing thing wrong and instead of admiting that u are blaming the game for it .
second
we all have adult life , stuff to do that are more important other than the game . at this time and day i am at my first hour i finaly manage to get in front of pc/wow of all the week .pretty sure i can get my stuff down quickly and be finish by diner tonigh (on my main at least ).
i unlock maghar last week not even caring about it because i dont do 90% of the emmisary because i dont have time for it and also because its not rewarding enough for me to rush hem
emmissary is 4 quest (aprox 10 to 20 min even 5min sometime if lucky)
that u have 3 complete day to complete
again quit blaming the game for ur lack of knowledge about what to do to enficiently unlock the content u are looking for .if u did all the emmisary that came up for hem so far ud have them unlock by now .
not the fault of the game if ur not doing thing proprely , even as super mega casual u should be able to be at least around 360 ilvl which is quite big for casual.
because of warfront quest ,azurite emmisary etc
overall the fact u can barely hold urself against stuff isnt bcause ur casual , its because ur doing thing wrong and instead of admiting that u are blaming the game for it .
second
we all have adult life , stuff to do that are more important other than the game . at this time and day i am at my first hour i finaly manage to get in front of pc/wow of all the week .pretty sure i can get my stuff down quickly and be finish by diner tonigh (on my main at least ).
i unlock maghar last week not even caring about it because i dont do 90% of the emmisary because i dont have time for it and also because its not rewarding enough for me to rush hem
emmissary is 4 quest (aprox 10 to 20 min even 5min sometime if lucky)
that u have 3 complete day to complete
again quit blaming the game for ur lack of knowledge about what to do to enficiently unlock the content u are looking for .if u did all the emmisary that came up for hem so far ud have them unlock by now .
Back in my day, being sad about not having a thing was motivation to go get the thing. Sure, you could still complain the whole way there, but generally you tightened your belt and put your nose to the grindstone to get it out - and that was just in life!
It’s a video game. It’s meant to be played. I remember playing Soul Calibur 3 for hours to get money to buy cosmetics for created characters in the store, and I didn’t even get to know what they looked like before I bought them. Prior to that, grinding out levels to brute force my way through Emerald Weapon in FF7.
Yeah, I was younger then and maybe had more “free time” between some of the other stuff I was doing, but I wasn’t about to let that stop me - or worse, cheat, like some of my friends did (friends don’t let friends use Gameshark).
It’s a video game. It’s meant to be played. I remember playing Soul Calibur 3 for hours to get money to buy cosmetics for created characters in the store, and I didn’t even get to know what they looked like before I bought them. Prior to that, grinding out levels to brute force my way through Emerald Weapon in FF7.
Yeah, I was younger then and maybe had more “free time” between some of the other stuff I was doing, but I wasn’t about to let that stop me - or worse, cheat, like some of my friends did (friends don’t let friends use Gameshark).
welcome to every adults problems =)
to much to do no time to do it.
what little relax time you get you'll learn to cherish. all thoose things you thought where major issues mean nothing to you anymore and seem silly.
i slowly got DI unlocked. over a couple monthes. if not for my extra vacation id just got it now most likly. been trying get 120 ever since. but im enjoying it nonetheless
to much to do no time to do it.
what little relax time you get you'll learn to cherish. all thoose things you thought where major issues mean nothing to you anymore and seem silly.
i slowly got DI unlocked. over a couple monthes. if not for my extra vacation id just got it now most likly. been trying get 120 ever since. but im enjoying it nonetheless
09/08/2018 02:49 AMPosted by KittymeowqtYeah I find it silly myself a core "feature" of the expansion that you have to grind and even do things from last expansion for lol
Nothing "core" about it.
alliance race are a reward to something achiev . asking for the reward without doing anything to get it is just being a cry baby.
the equivalent of a child asking if he can eat desert without touching his main course dinner because he hate vegetable.
the equivalent of a child asking if he can eat desert without touching his main course dinner because he hate vegetable.
11/11/2018 07:52 AMPosted by VivialaI understand that, but you're playing the wrong game if you don't like grinding and/or time sinks. Heck, you're playing the wrong genre. RPGs have grinds in them. They have since I started playing them in the early 90s.09/08/2018 03:04 AMPosted by GadrenI understand for some people grinding things for weeks on end is not a lot. But for me and many others, who have a LOT going on in their lives and can't play a lot, or maybe they don't have a lot going on but they just don't find it fun, it's pretty horrible.You need to stop. Just because someone likes what you don't doesn't mean that they're a "green knight" (whatever that even means):11/11/2018 07:22 AMPosted by ChraceJust because you will swallow it smiling does not mean I, or the many others that have quit regarding this, will. It's quite obvious they know they've made a mistake with the changes they're making. I don't care how easy they make it. It needs to go away entirely and people whose idea it was put on mop duty for a few months.Allied means whatever Blizzard wants it to mean, regardless of whatever you think about it. If you don't like it, move on to something that you do like. We all have that choice. Stop trying to change a fundamental part of RPGs. I'm not going to throw a fit that there is first person shooter elements to Call of Duty and call for that to be changed because I don't enjoy it. What you are doing is just as silly.11/11/2018 07:03 AMPosted by ChraceUse the green knight allied semantic
My resume starts with vanilla EQ. I know what a grind is. Grinding out levels in a group with five friends is not the same as a tedious time-gated world quest humping trickle grind to unlock a race. I've been playing these games forever and never had to unlock a race. So I must have missed this fundamental aspect you're barking about all this while.
You can swallow that allied semantic but be damned if I will. Call me what you will. Your opinion matters to me about as much as mine matters to you I'd imagine. /shrug
11/11/2018 07:48 AMPosted by Chrace...
A shady time grab you are not forced into doing and will eventually achieve without putting in much time just by doing the emissaries? Much as you might think otherwise the races are not required to play the game. You can play it just fine without them. And if not being able to play a race is all it takes for you to quit then bye, you won't be missed.
Again, as I've said numerous times, if the best this team can come up with to retain subscriptions is to gate races, or classes, because they're too damn lazy or inept to come up with fun or engaging content then we need a new team.
You're not "forced" to do anything in this game besides pay the fee to login. What the hell does that have to do with them gating races which were never gated before?
Oh, I'm sure the masses that quit over this are missed. They're lessening the reputation required and lessening the experience required. Probably too little too late but we all know how hard it is for Ion to admit he's wrong.
You're ability to suffer through a tedious time-gated world quest humping trickle grind does not make you hardcore I'm afraid. I've did it and was anything but fun or engaging and at best it was just unnecessarily tedious to unlock that which should have never been gated in the first place.
Never said I was hardcore, never suffered once during the process to unlock any of the allied races I have or their heritage sets either. The fact you have to put words in my mouth says a lot in order to make your opinion valid. You are right though other races were not gated before this expansion. Then again they were entirely new races and not cosmetic ones that are rewards should you choose to continue passed revered to exalted.
11/11/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Pepetuxalliance race are a reward to something achiev . asking for the reward without doing anything to get it is just being a cry baby.
Grinding out incredibly boring, simplistic WQs and playing the Farmville mission table is hardly an "achievement".
09/08/2018 03:01 AMPosted by SarwenNormally you just get a single race for the expansion. This expansion qe get EIGHT races. It makes sense we have to fo a little more to be able to use them.
Do a few world quests and you'll unlock them eventually, also keep up on the mission table on your phone. Prioritize the quests for the races you want.
They're nothing more than reskins. Don't try to justify the gating.
Isn't the COA rep becoming account wide so alts can reap the level benefits for the necklace?
as for allied race rep, I'm a casual too and I got the argas ones unlocked in 2 weeks. There's a fair bit of gold you can get there as well as some mounts so I looked at it that way. Suamar and high mtn might take a little longer I did those in the start of legion so I can't remember, but I do know that suramar was changed where you didn't have to wait for the story to progress each week and due to its catch up, you can power out its area in a day if you had the time.
as for allied race rep, I'm a casual too and I got the argas ones unlocked in 2 weeks. There's a fair bit of gold you can get there as well as some mounts so I looked at it that way. Suamar and high mtn might take a little longer I did those in the start of legion so I can't remember, but I do know that suramar was changed where you didn't have to wait for the story to progress each week and due to its catch up, you can power out its area in a day if you had the time.
No one cares. RPGs have grinding in them. Always have, and probably always will. Don't play something if you don't enjoy one of the major mechanics. Or if you do, you really don't have a reason to complain. So many terrible changes have been done all because people whine about it enough. Let those of us that enjoy the game enjoy it. If you don't like it, then find something that fits your interests better.11/11/2018 08:01 AMPosted by ChraceMy resume starts with vanilla EQ.
You do have that much right at least :)11/11/2018 08:01 AMPosted by ChraceYou can swallow that allied semantic but be damned if I will. Call me what you will. Your opinion matters to me about as much as mine matters to you I'd imagine. /shrug
Sorry buddy, you sit here saying you don't have the time to earn rep but also say you want to level and do dungeons and LFR on your Dark Iron.
That's a straight up contradiction. Grinding rep isn't something that takes hours, it's actually designed for people like you with little time.
That's a straight up contradiction. Grinding rep isn't something that takes hours, it's actually designed for people like you with little time.
11/11/2018 08:06 AMPosted by Agnohm11/11/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Pepetuxalliance race are a reward to something achiev . asking for the reward without doing anything to get it is just being a cry baby.
Grinding out incredibly boring, simplistic WQs and playing the Farmville mission table is hardly an "achievement".
No no, that's as hardcore as breaking Fear and the level grind in vaniller EQ.
Now I get it... This is like when I contradict the people who spew vaniller WoW was hard when it just wasn't compared to the competition. I've threatened their e-peens. Much angst comes with threatened e-peeners.
If you don't have enough time to grind rep and you are doing all the things you mentioned above, maybe you shouldn't be playing wow at all. Play other games such as D3 or Hots, they require way less dedication and can be tons of fun.
11/11/2018 08:08 AMPosted by VivialaNo one cares. RPGs have grinding in them. Always have, and probably always will. Don't play something if you don't enjoy one of the major mechanics. Or if you do, you really don't have a reason to complain. So many terrible changes have been done all because people whine about it enough. Let those of us that enjoy the game enjoy it. If you don't like it, then find something that fits your interests better.11/11/2018 08:01 AMPosted by ChraceMy resume starts with vanilla EQ.You do have that much right at least :)11/11/2018 08:01 AMPosted by ChraceYou can swallow that allied semantic but be damned if I will. Call me what you will. Your opinion matters to me about as much as mine matters to you I'd imagine. /shrug
If you don't hold people accountable nothing ever changes. I will not relent. Spew all the nonsense at me you will. I really don't care that you don't care. /rolls her eyes
No mmo I've ever played, and my husband and I have been playing them forever, have ever had this core feature of a tedious time-gated world quest humping trickle grind to unlock a race you keep speaking of and I need to go find a new game over. So you lost me.