Ok Sylvannas… 
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You bring them into the story maybe an expansion or two before and develop them or don’t even have them appear, but be spoken of/foreshadowed.
That’s what makes characters with ties actually solid.
-We see how the Elemental threats culminate in Ragnaros.
-How demons are from the Burning Legion and Illidan, Kael’thas, KJ, Archimonde, Gul’dan and so many others tie in with that.
-How the Burning Legion’s experiments resulted in the creation of the Scourge and how Arthas was turned evil and became the Lich King.
-How Garrosh had been with the Horde for so long, but was twisted by his lust for power and turned evil by the heart of an Old God.
All compelling good characters. Old God’s themselves sort of get a pass from this as their whole deal is subtle influencing of others and mystery. Even then, when people list off notable villains, I never hear anyone mention the Old Gods (or Void Lords) despite them being arguably more of a threat than those listed above.
For god sake, Deathwing felt like a bigger threat than N’zoth (Deathwing’s BOSS). Why? Because Deathwing was developed, reshaped much of Azeroth and was the focus of the expansion. N’zoth was the focus of a patch and put some goo on Uldum and Vale of Eternal Blossoms…
What ties do we have to the Jailer? He’s a presence that long pre-dates Vanilla, but we have never heard of him until now despite our knowledge of the Maw’s existence. Helya or Sylvanas never speak of him, no one had until this expansion.
You’re just being myopic and not putting any thought beyond the ground level. Are you a Blizz Dev?
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I forget he’s even there.
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Have not even seen the Jailer out side the escape the maw start of the expansion… I think they forgot about him at this point same with sylvanas
have not seen her yet as well
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The jailer, the Shadowlands, all of it. I can’t shake the feeling this whole expansion is happening between parenthesis and that nothing is really going to matter for back home on Azeroth.
I know, I know… death invasion,etc… but that’s like, every Thuesday on Azeroth.
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All covenants are feeling like disconnected with me. Not feeling 'em nor care to do anything for them lol.
The Jailer, is just shown too much. If they’d keep him a little in the shadows, and had his ‘leaked’ form, would be neat. Right now it’s really hard to take him seriously because for now he’s not done much.
I’m starting to believe the Jailer won’t be the end boss and someone else will be.
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Nobody in this expansion seems to command any screen presence, the Jailer especially. Everyone who is supposed to be of some import just seems to be there. I forgot Thrall was still trapped in the Maw until Bolvar sent me a text message about him being the next jail break.
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My beef with the story so far is it’s all tell, no show. You have to be told explicitly that the Maw is scarier than the Legion with like 8 mobs on screen at the time. Everyone hypes how terrible the Maw is except that doesn’t apply to you, because the waystone lets you through. The more lines the Jailer utters, the less he becomes. None of the biggest, most important leaders have anything to say to their people about the circle of life and death collapsing.
Hell, the two major factions whose existence is fundamentally tied to the Shadowlands, the Forsaken and the Knights of the Ebon Blade, have absolutely nothing elaborated on now that we can actually see the other side of their predicament.
Ironically, the only one who seems to have a point that’s grounded in the writing is Sylvanas, and her point is “the cosmology is kind of a crock, don’t you think?”. Which at least has some precedent in Sylvanas’s previous outlook concerning the Forsaken’s liberation.
Can’t help but feel sometimes like the world is written the way it is just to allow her to have a point.
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Yea that’s why I don’t want them to kill off jailer right away. Develop him. He doesn’t need to last for 5 expacs but a couple is ok imo.
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What’s better is ‘supposedly’ we will deal with him early on and that he may not be the end boss if a dev interview is to be believed.
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Lets hope that is the case because he is a real nothing character
Hard agree. The Jailer is as compelling as Arthas was back in WotLK. Not diggin’ him.
We’ve only known Denathrius for this same patch and he’s 100000% more interesting and charismatic than Baldy Mcnoshoes is
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Right? Whoever wrote/designed Denathrius should be proud, he is a great and immersive character.
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I wish Denathrius had been the big bad…
That’s a bummer imo. He seems like a very evil guy. Masterminding all these events. Just needs more time in spotlight. Ah well we will see.
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I wonder if all this Denathrius love is just because the Jailer is so awfully written. Because Denathrius is just a disney aristocratic villain, he isn’t anything special. 
Don’t get me wrong though, the jailer is a joke, his dialogue couldn’t be cheesier.
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Yeah it was meant to be sarcastic… that they really are treating him to a few bit parts then finishing him off. I just don’t think the way they started him out lends itself to helping their cause of trying to make him a ‘threat’.
Right now he’s just a very bland, predictable evil villain.
Dentharius had more in the same time and his character was done right.
I half-agree, his character was done VERY well.
I just think he deserved to be in Raid 3 of the expansion where we get a reveal of the ‘real mastermind’ that is called, ‘The Jailer’. They did away with Denathrius a little too quickly.
Right now I’m just not feeling it.
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Ah gotcha missed the sarcasm haha.
Maybe they can have denathrius escape or freed by the jailer. I agree they did away with him too early.
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The Jailer does too?..
He’s the Lich King. The real Lich King. The dark presence that corrupted Arthas in the first place.