That was starting to happen and Sylvanas killed her own people who just wanted to leave and spend time with their alliance families. Well played Sylvanas and I guess as usual the horde just turned a blind eye to atrocities in their ranks. I have no idea why valentine stayed to help the horde, maybe he was threatened behind the scenes, it makes no sense.
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Where are all the pro SF Horde that hate this, that used to e the majority? Did they all quit?
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interesting. some how I saw it different. now want to do again and see it with different out look.
You do realize the character you are posting with is a resurrected walking corpse right?
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Yes, Sylvanas saw that as a betrayal. Itâs the same kind of nonsensical decision making the Alliance makes regarding the Forsaken. Have you done any of the Horde Storyline? People are NOT ok with it. Nathanos hesitated at Darkshore, Baine vocally tells her this not ok, Saurfang outright LEAVES her Horde and is almost killed for it. We the player (horde side) have a decision now because we actually complained so much about not having agency in aiding or killing Saurfang. So peoples player characters can now decide for themselves if they want to be complicit in Sylvanas eventual downfall. Nobody in leadership has turned a blind eye to Sylvanasâs methods. Regent Lord Lorethemar may very well be the only one on Syvlanasâs side and thats because of her sacrifice at Quelâthalas. I imagine, as we see through Sylvanas death, that the afterlife isnât all that peachy. So maybe Valentine was in that Dark Abyss? Anyways they offered them a new life and they took it, why we can only speculate. Delivering a message is NOT helping the Horde, if anything Valentine saw it as a way to deliver said message, stay alive, and rejoin the fight⌠Until you killed Valentine for absolutely NO REASON.
i should mention that Baine is now basically plotting a coup to what i think is BANISH sylvanas. I doubt Blizzard will go down the garrosh route again where we face him as a raid boss or have thrall 1v1 her in draenor lol.
You make that sound sordid.
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Oh, now the rules of honorable combat apply? The ghosts of Teldrassil and Theramore say âhelloâ.
Look closely, Mezzanin.
This is your Horde.
The most hateful, vile, morally bankrupt collection of individuals you will ever meet. Hypocrites of the highest order. âHeroesâ who revel in the death and slaughter of those who never wanted to fight, who never had the chance to fight back.
Have you ever heard of or seen this scene, from âSpec Ops: The Lineâ?
Itâs meant to instill disgust in the players who go through it. To make them realize what theyâve done, what the dehumanization of their foes and the blind vision of âthe enemyâ in these scenarios lead to. The player character is horrified and disgusted by it.
Your Horde revels in it.
The scent of burning flesh, that makes trained soldiers vomit and retch, and your Horde inhale it like itâs the smell of morning coffee.
They see the bodies of innocent civilians in flames, and they poke them, trying to extract the last little bit of pain before their victims keel over and die.
Their reaction is not âwhat have I doneâ, but rather âhow can I do more?â.
A cult that worships a corpse, and would give their lives, and millions of others, for their precious Dark Lady. Kelâthuzad is jealous that his Cult of the Damned never grew so large.
These people donât think, donât care. They take people tied down, who canât fight back, and they see them as the perfect targets. They arenât âwarriorsâ. They arenât even butchers. Theyâre torturers, murderers, and sadists. The only life they want to see is the life wilting under their fingers.
Lokâtar Ogar. Victory or Death. Ha. No.
There is no victory without battle. And Death is all they want. Look at them now, whining that there arenât enough victims for them to kill in War Mode. Because Hatred and Death are all they have.
This is your Horde.
Zug zug.
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I feel Blizzard is being hyper aggressive about making Sylvanas look evil. Theyâre doing a very good job with that. I donât think thereâs ever been this much controversy around a lore character during an expansion. Sheâs so blatantly evil it makes her seem cartoonish and easily hated by the masses, including her own teammates. I canât wait to see what Blizzard decides to do. Unless itâs another Garrosh storyline, then the writers can go screw themselves - I know Blizzard and theyâre better than that, at least Iâd like to think they are. The art team carries hard, but they canât carry noob-level story writing.
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Look around you, dude. Look at the responses to this very thread. None of them, save the OP, care at all about her being evil. They love it. Open your eyes. Why would Blizzard redeem her? The Horde loves this. This is what you are.
Keep praying for some miracle.
When I kill a mindless Skeleton that was once a Tauren names âAwkaranâ, endlessly repeating âsheâs better than thisâ, Iâll make it fast. I promise.
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Donât forget that the second base you get in Tiragarde, after the pirate hideout, is conquered by murdering civilians. And several other bases you conquer (via table missions), in Drustvar, Tiragarde and Stormsong, are also civilian areas, some with still fresh corpses lying nearby.
Alliance spearhead bases are all caves or hidden groves, while Horde has no qualms about murdering civilians and taking their homes.
And then near the end of the campaign, the Horde betrays their pirate allies by bringing the kul tiran navy to the pirate town. The last act of the Horde is to leave, and the fate of the pirates is left unanswered, but itâs unlikely that Kul Tiras wouldnât retaliate against pirates that aided the Horde.
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Oh hey itâs you again lol /wave /moo
Yeah the whole point of my other thread wasnât to defend her. But you act as if I am an apologist of genocide when Iâm not. So you can sit back and relax for once. Geese.
I was simply presenting another possibility in the story as it unfolds. Iâm not saying Sylvanas is a good person and a great Warchief. I was stating that there could be deeper reasons behind her choice to burn the tree (and the elves).
If she turns out to be as evil as she seems to be, then by all means, behead her, burn her alive, I could not care less at this point. Sheâs basically hung herself, in my estimation. The important horde players in the story are against her and for good reason, and you can bet your last dollar that everyone on the Alliance wants her dead. And I agree.
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Dont worry. we will make it right january 22nd and then again shortly after we fend off azshara
So the rules of Honorable combat no longer apply to the Alliance? Is that why you kill valentine? Or is it because your alliance is no better? You kill Forsaken that would want to re-unite with their families, How can you take the high ground?
The orchestrator of Theramore is dead. The ice witch Jaina paid no price for her crimes. âOh mommy and daddy im so sorry i was wrong, please accept me back and promote me to Lord Admiral or whatever!â
Alliance: Well yeah ok sure.
Horde: End up killing Garrosh later.
Sylvanas manipulated the events at Teldrassil, Notice how there werent any Horde druids there? They, in that single moment would have opposed it, which is why she had them redirected elsewhere. Like i said in previous posts, the Horde leaders are pretty much in secret rebellion at this point. Baine, leader of the tauren, Saurfang, whom many, not just Orcs, admire and revere (see zappy boi) And eventually i think Lorethemar will be the straw when he is forced to betray Sylvanas or go along with her banishment.
Soldiers, to an extant do what their leaders tell them for many reasons. If Baine convenes the tauren and says âAs leader of the tribes we will no longer support Sylvanasâ, they are going to follow their leader.
Yeah members of the Horde like war, dying in war against your opponent is revered as an honorable passing, which is why we see Saurfang, weary from fighting in her honorless crusade try and seek out his death. The Horde is more nuanced than you believe.
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He clearly hasnât read my other posts where i say âI do not support Sylvanasâs methodsâ in plain black and white.
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Yeah that Tyriellais character seems very close minded. I may agree with him in that Sylvanas is evil and should be put down. But he seems to be so self absorbed that he cannot possibly take on the point of view of other people. Iâve been in discussions with him and every single post he makes he stubbornly stands his ground while spouting the same things over and over again as he [poorly] attempts to attack other people for who they are as a person (in RL).
Edit He is, in my estimation, a true troll that should be avoided at all costs. /moo
2nd Edit Iâm sure heâs going to say something that has to do with his point of view which has been repeated several times already - followed by some sort of attack on someone else, whether it be subtle or not. This is my hypothesis. /shrug
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That was Sylvanas. We were welcoming them back.
The Horde always have a scapegoat for their evils. Even as dozens of you chant âfor the Dark Ladyâ, as soon as sheâs deposed you go âoh, it was SYLVANAS, not us! Have mercyâ. Grow a pair and own your pathetic bloodlust.
Her âcrimeâ was sitting back and not slaughtering you and your kin as you tore through her city, killed her friends and her father. Because she believed you could be better. She was wrong.
Are you sure about that?
Druids seem to be backing her just fine.
Has never done anything and is not even a character in this story at this point.
Is so unpopular Blizzard had to rewrite the story so the PCs wouldnât have to side with him.
Heâs a Blood Elf. I donât think Iâve seen more than one on here who has spoken a word against her.
Yep, resort to the same defense used in the Nuremberg Trials. Thatâs the Horde of today. They know theyâre wrong, and donât care. Their only worry is being held accountable.
Yes, they follow their leader anywhere. As Awkaran said: Heâll follow her to the end of her story, because he trusts that itâs not really that bad.
And if you donât have an opponent? Slaughter innocents and keep going until you MAKE an opponent!
No. No, they arenât.
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That was Sylvanas. We were welcoming them back.
Is BFA your first expansion? Cus there is a looooong history of you guys doin that. Anduin is far more progressive than his father and this was an experiment.
The Horde always have a scapegoat for their evils. Even as dozens of you chant âfor the Dark Ladyâ, as soon as sheâs deposed you go âoh, it was SYLVANAS, not us! Have mercyâ. Grow a pair and own your pathetic bloodlust.
We are written as the scapegoat, we donât have a choice, we either play the game as is or we just quit and im not vested in this the way you seem to be. I enjoy playing WoW. You want to fund my faction transfer? Do it, right now and by all that is holy i will make this guy Alliance. We both know you wont.
Her âcrimeâ was sitting back and not slaughtering you and your kin as you tore through her city, killed her friends and her father. Because she believed you could be better. She was wrong.
She betrayed the Alliance, flatout, you donât get to sugarcoat it with her intentions.
Are you sure about that?
Yes redshirt guy pointed it out months ago.
Has never done anything and is not even a character in this story at this point
Lol what?
Is so unpopular Blizzard had to rewrite the story so the PCs wouldnât have to side with him.
Clearly you didnât see the shoulders off for saurfang?
Heâs a Blood Elf. I donât think Iâve seen more than one on here who has spoken a word against her.
Again because of her sacrifice in saving Quelâthalas against the Lich King, a Human.
And if you donât have an opponent? Slaughter innocents and keep going until you MAKE an opponent!
DIrected by Sylvanas/nathanos, like i said i donât agree with her Methods and i find brennandam damn near a warcrime.
i suck at formatting.
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Due to bad formatting and answering from my cell phone I wonât respond to it all. But again: Show me the legions of Blood Elves decrying her actions. The Blood Elves are her largest support block on these forums, and not one of them ever mentions her service as Ranger General.
If you guys had a problem with the story, you think youâd be just as vocal as the Alliance in saying this writing is crap. Even if you âkeep playingâ (though you could roll a new toon, BfA is great for alts since the main content sucks so much), you donât have to stay silent if you donât like the direction of the story.
But not only are you not complaining, you all are CHEERING for these actions. Again, look at this thread. Or dozens of others on here. The Horde are loving this.
As with the âDruid that totally wasnât present at the war glorying in the slaughter of innocentsâ that I quoted that you all ignored.
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You⌠you donât think im pretty? 
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Donât you pay him no mind. Youâre adorable!
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