You new here??? Ion will fail you. Sorry…
Won’t ever reach even half of that. Blizzard has been alienating far too many people.
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I’m super optimistic and bringing all that staff in is hopeful.
Hopefully, the jackasses who made such a hot mess of the shadowlands story are out of the picture. If they’ve stuck with the same bozos then I can’t see that ending well.
My guild has already died due to sepulcher… I will keep some of the friendships but blizz really screwed that pooch. It’s tough to keep giving them chances to make the same disastrous decisions.
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At least they claim they’re giving up on the world first arms race.
Oldie, but a Goldie. Like decade old YTP’s. 
I know Clawtopsy has already said it but…
I’l take “somebody being angry about a joke being common on the internet” for the daily double. 
What, is Majin’s foot wiggling has a fun next to your head? Don’t read it if you don’t like it. Not everything has to be super duper dead serious all the time. 
I wish I could have the amount of hope that some of you have in this thread, but after showing a bunch of friends who were former players the updated Hogger models, all but 1 immediately noped out on the idea of returning to the game, and that one was reserved on the idea.
I’d argue they weren’t that into it anyway. I mean, one NPC update is no reason to say no to an expansion.
Yeah…seems a bit of a stretch to have a Hogger Model updeat being the make or break considering the major pain points of past expansions
I haven’t had a lot of faith since WoD and the expansions after it. We’ll see. I like what they’re throwing out and I like the articles they are providing players as well.
I’m optimistic, but still holding off on pre-purchasing
There are hints of a potential Torghast system which was on my wish list. I am super interested in the new Dragon flying. I’m waiting on the Warrior talent tree and I hope Prot is interesting. Professions getting attention is awesome.
I’m definately in the Entryway and staying a while and listening sicne it seems Blizz got the Hubris beaten out of them.
I like what I’m seeing, I like what I’m hearing, and the moment that changes, I’m back to hitting that dusty trail.
Really is the way to go about handling these things in this day and age. Stay for as long as it’s fun, then leave when it isn’t.
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I’ll hope for Dragonflight to be a success as well.
Right now, I’m not pre-ordering, much less intending to buy it. No Cross-Faction guilds on launch, no expanded customizations for other races, no new Allied Races, and Dracthyr being restricted to Evoker? Too much stuff at the most fundamental level is being left wanting for me to feel like this is a good investment of my money.
i reserve judgment on DF until the ALL of the progression systems are fully revealed, for both pve and pvp
I literally do not trust Ion and his team at all, he consistently leaves out forecasts and descriptions of systems and grinds that basically ruin the enjoyment of content and result in delivering a burnout experience or feeling forced to do many things you could only really enjoy a handful of times
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As much as I would like to see a return to those numbers and WoW to experience a second rise, I doubt it will ever happen, not with the current Dev team in charge. They will make changes sure, but they will never understand what made the game so successful during it’s peak, and if they do, they are too stuck in their ways to do those things again.
It would require the current Dev team to actually admit they were wrong with the design ideas they have been doing for the last few expansions, and I don’t see their pride letting them.
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Art Style and Story direction are very big reasons for people to say no to an expansion. You’d do well to acknowledge that if you truly hope for what you expressed in your original post. Both of those have been the 2 major reasons for both the dips and spikes in player retention.
The first dip was Cataclysm, story playing a big role. Second dip was Mists of Pandaria, both art AND story both major causes for those players leaving. Warlords of Draenor initially saw a big homecoming of the player base it lost in Cataclysm and Mists…only for those who came back and even more of those who remained leave due to the story.
Legion, Story and Art style saw a return to Warcrafts roots which in turn saw a sizeable amount of those who left return and actually stay throughout the expansion. Battle for Azeroth initially capitalized on that hope things were turned around, only for the story and art decisions to kill that hope and saw the return of players leaving. Shadowlands couldn’t even keep it’s returning players for longer than a month, with the story direction, art direction, internal scandals and alienating die hard fans all playing their parts in driving the population to the lowest point it has ever been.
And now we’re almost at the launch of Dragonflight and the reception to information outside of this forum has been luke warm at best. Even the reddit, which has traditionally been more of an echo chamber than even these forums, has been very critical of both the updated art and story direction. This is really something Blizzard and the remaining playerbase should be paying attention too, but neither really has a stellar history of actually listening so again, it’s hard for me to share the hope that you have in seeing the game climb back up to 14m players. I don’t even have hope it’ll see 1/3rd of that return for DF, or retain those that do for longer than a couple of months.
I don’t even think it’s a matter of pride-I think as a matter of corporate Policy they simply can’t.
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That’s reasonable. I feel like Wrath took place in a certain time in gaming history which made it really stand out. Blizzard has to figure out what it was that made it stand out and try to replicate that. They did that somewhat with Legion. However, a big problem is that they’ve kind of exhausted a lot of their original lead character lore. Beyond that many people who would play WoW are now grown up and don’t have the time to invest into the game. The current generation of gamers are into mobile stuff and whatever their internet idols are playing (which is often not WoW).
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Could be that too, or could be a combination of those things and other factors. I just feel like this current Dev team is so full of their own pride, they really never want to admit when they are wrong, and that will limit them in what they do.
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I feel there’s a more “frank” energy in some of their more recent interviews, but some stuff still feels like they can’t go Yoshi-P levels of transparent without PR aiming a gun at their heads.
common it’s like a joke that keeps getting better, you see the wiggle toes, then you see his name… it’s so good.
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