What it really means is that they’ll have to work around the information deficit built into the game. Which they shouldn’t have to worry about to begin with.
This is where my confusion is…S says ‘needed’…but others say these addons arent needed…to the point of being insulting if some other M+ tells me that they require them for me to get into their group.
VERY confusing that theyre not needed with the fireworks going off in here…all over the web, actually, about Ion talking about disabling combat/mechanic addons at some point.
Im trying to figure out if one side is just being hyperbolic or not. lol
Why, so you can ignore it again?
You won’t even think critically about why people keep bringing up high-end content as a qualifier. Couldn’t think that maybe something is happening there that makes it trickier than LFR.
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That’s the main issue at hand here, all the information you need is in the game already, but it’s just terrible and hard to read.
Like that FG pull, if you focus on the mechs you will see when the ground effect and frontal is coming, no addon needed. But then you are not focused on the caster and when to interrupt. And if you focus on interrupts you miss the loader bots spinning around killing you and at a high enough key level if you don’t move or interrupt the loader bots instantly, you don’t have time to react.
So we use ‘combat addons’ to help us split the information and make it easy to read and now Ion wants those addons gone, yet chances are the dungeon and raid design won’t change to compensate for the lack of easy to read information.
See above. My answer is that you can play M+ without addons, but only by working around issues with the game itself. The kinds of addons that people use in M+ are to get information that the game should give them but doesn’t.
Mythic raiding and 15+ keys. IF you think addons arent required in that content you have zero part in this discussion.
You dont have any understanding of how mythic raiding works.
Confirmed by this considering BM is one of the easiest specs in the game.
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its for the warrior scream, isn’t it?
Playing as a warrior be like: (every 5 seconds) ARGH! URGH!
ok…so then when snozy says ‘needed’ hes the side being hyperbolic, as were the M+ players who’ve told me over the years that the require these addons ?
I get that the game doesnt feed some of the info to the player but youre saying that even the highest of keys IS playable without any addons for mechanics / combat?
sorry…it just seems like such a simple question but I keep getting deflections pretending I dont know what level of content is being discussed lol.
They keep rambling on about LFR and heroics…and Ive been VERY CLEAR Im talking ONLY about Mythic Plus way too many times for them to be confused about it lol
I already said exactly what I think. It is possible as long as your group has someone calling out everything in voice comms, essentially filling the role that addons play right now. Otherwise, it would not be possible, because the game itself does not present the information every player needs in a clear enough way.
If you have that person who can play their role and shot call everything, possible. If you don’t have that person, not possible.
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I see.
So where does this caller player get that information? isnt it shown to everyone?
Not all of it, no. It would have to be someone who knows all the party abilities and cooldowns and is able to call things like defensive use, interrupt rotations, cc rotations, important kicks, mechanics, etc.
Some of that information is in the game, some of it is presented very poorly, some of it isn’t shown to every player, etc.
Your turn. Do you think something like a +15 would be possible without addons and without that kind of person filling the role of a shot caller?
huh…thats all interesting.
Thanks for the explanation. Ive had a hard time grasping why one person says no addons are needed, while other Obvious M+ players say they are.
Sounds like they are doable without addons, but a lot of groups dont want to have to do it that way.
thanks again for laying it out for me… 
Yes back during the first Lich King the summer before Cata was going to go live we both decided to get our Old Loremaster titles before the huge change in everything in the game…we spent days…weeks going though so much online stuff to find many quests that simple were very well hidden in game.
Two or three weeks before Cata went live we both finally got it…we didn’t depend on addons…we used our Gray matter between our ears and found it on many web sites with history of the game…now doing Loremaster is quite easy to do now…way the quest lines point you in the right direction…way to dang easy now…to bad most players don’t like to put some brain work into learning the game instead of using addons that point them in the right directions.
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This season I have been running 22 LFR a week from week 1 until last week when I got the mount. Last season I ran as many as I could until I had all my characters at level 80 and LFR geared, eventually getting up to 22 per week until the second last raid of the season.
And I have been running these kinds of numbers in LFR for as long as mounts have been a thing from LFR, so 8 years or so and I have never once seen a full disband in LFR.
Questing isn’t all content and what you’re saying is nice but doesn’t translate to something like mythic raid or M+, unless you want to tell me you could do those things without someone like a raid leader telling you the information you need to know and what to do at which time. Or unless you are the type of person who can both play their role in high end content and be aware of everything relevant to the group at once. That’s the kind of gray matter use we’re talking about here.
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Again, doable in a premade group with all players, specs and builds known ahead of time, and with someone calling everything in voice comms. Which means no pugs, etc.
Possible in some circumstances, impossible in others.
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What’s the name of that addon, please? I need it, get so frustrated.
Yeah, I have to mute all the battle cry voice lines. Extremely annoying.
probably go up to heroic and even mythic raiding besides the bosses that literally force you to spreadsheet and divide human resource to do mechanics.
everything else is just qol that could be made by the game devs itself but it hasnt because they are lazy and got used to their players fixing their own problems with mods which is why we are in this problem now?
Yeh but people aren’t wrong. All those players around here pretending they would do fine mostly play content that can be done by a sufficiently geared player by simply pressing W. In many instances the ‘no addon’ crowd don’t even know what is happening and just assume it’s easy because they are being carried.
Many a times I have done low level content and had people who were so bad I would not put it past them that they just had no idea just how bad they are and were being hard carried through content.
But I have had groups where people yell until they are blue in the face, yell about mechanics, yell about DPS, yell about “where heal???”, yet when you glance over at the DPS meter you cry, because it’s the same people who are terribly bad at the game.
These people need to be put into a group together, no addons and no geared players to carry them and then tell us, can you still play the game?
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