I’ve been thinking of an alt to mess around with and was interested in Frost DK as I’ve never played the spec. How is it doing these days? Anyone give some Pro and Con feedback on the spec?
Been playing duel wield frost lately and its fun. I got the legendary that cuts the cd fore the frost wyrm in half and now it freezes mobs for few secs.
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Frost DK is okay. It’s just I think other deeps can do things better than a Frost Dk can (I’m looking at you Arcane Harmony). It also have a unique problem. But it’s fun seeing your damage spikes as a Frost DK occasionally.
Pros
- Very bursty. Have damage spikes thanks to CH and FWF, but only if you’re not PvPing. If you’re PvPing, Chill Streak is the game.
- Little to no ramp-up time, in fact, you get rewarded for ramping during your own burst phase.
- Have AoE CC thanks to Blinding Sleet.
- Have Strength Multipliers thanks to FC and PoF.
- Crits for more crits.
- You summon a freaking dragon and tell other deeps to drag on deez nuts.
Cons
- You have two resources, Runes and RP. With Frost’s current state, Runes have inflated value and renders RP feels terrible to use. You have BoS to make RP more valuable, but you have to work your way up to fight its RP maintenance which may or may not be on your favor. BoS is kind of a controversial ability while Obliteration is mainly good for ST 2h and ONLY ST 2h.
- Talents are bland and a lot of dead talents: I’m looking at Lv 45 Talent Row.
- No omni-purpose legendary like Wilfreds for Demo or FM for Unholy.
- Meh conduits.
- Most of your damage revolves around Pillar of Frost as well as any other abilities surrounding it. Without PoF, your damage is lacking and it really doesn’t help that talents like Icecap is garbage right now thanks to it competing Obliteration and BoS.
They’re not unplayable by any means. But I truly think that other deeps can do Frost but better and I feel the spec is so fragmented for a class with two resource mechanics.
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things got worse since warlord of dreanor. they nerfed the 2 hand weapon. this is why i quit playing my death knight. they made it too hard. sad.
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DO NOT PLAY FROST!!! The game is currently bugged and you’ll have no way to get proper weapons. The ONLY thing the game will “reward” you with is a useless two-handed weapon. Not even the gearing for the spec is coded correctly in the game so the class play style is hampered right off the bat. Check back in a few years when it’s fixed otherwise stick with Unholy - it’s the only DPS class that’s being supported for Death Knight.
just play 2h frost?
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People that wanted to play 2h and having people say just play DW didnt like being told that, do you think its something acceptable to say now? Regardless of the bug claim which could be an extremely unlucky streak for weapon drops.
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well if you dont play frost you are going to be using a 2h for UH and blood. If playing frost is the important part then you can still do it with 2h.
I will say that if DW is still going to be a part of fDK there needs to be a way to garuntee 1h drops because that is very annoying for DW folks. But in my personal experience I havent seen anyone choose to play a DK because they want to play a DW class… they play DW because it the most oprimal and the only viably competitive way to play BoS, so the min maxers are keen for DW just for performance. I dare say most of, if not all competitive fDKs wouldnt care if DW was removed but everything was balanced for 2H and their output stayed the same.
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Ive seen plenty of people want to play Frost for DW. Also saying most if not all the top competitive Frost Death knights wouldnt care if DW was removed, they also wouldnt care if 2h was removed if they care about performance.
2h is the one with all the band aids to catch up to DW, its a DW spec. I dont know why people would want to play a DW spec to play something that isnt DW.
In terms of the loot, Frost should be 1h weapon drops only. If you want 2h anyone could easily swap to unholy. There were complaints in Cata with 1h weapons, Firelands specifically since there was only 1 1h strength dps weapon that had a 1.4% drop rate at best.
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yes.
its not a DW spec anymore and needs to be tuned accordingly. In wotlk when I first fell in love with DKs, frost had massive burst damage with 2h. It felt great. A lot of people missed that, and so they have tried to bring it back…but as you say they have been in DW only mode for so long the spec really needs some reworking to make it work for both again. They arent far off with the bandaid they applied. But I would love to see them really redesign the spec to make 2h more competitive in at least one talent build. I truly believe fDK can work for both 2h and DW.
Perhaps there are people who only play frost DK for DW but we don’t see them because they have had no reason to raise their voices…we will never know unless DW actually was removed. I wouldn’t want that to happen if there actually are people who love their DW fDKs.
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Every class does nothing outside of cooldowns. Its a wow design problem, not a dk problem.
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I mean yea but some classes have easier access to cooldowns more than others.
Right now, it’s not necessarily the cooldowns that’s the problem. It’s Runic Power for Frost Dk and perhaps resource as a whole.
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I have an arms warrior, ww monk, and survival hunter. Above 15s all of my alts have CDs for virtually every pack, and have better sustained aoe than my frost DK by a long shot.
I’m not sure how the uncapping of frostsycthe changes anything, I’m sure it doesn’t change much sadly, but frost needs higher sustained Aoe damage. As it stands most other melee classes have shorter, slightly more valuable, CDs from pack to pack. Most classes also have higher overall burst than frost.
IMO, make frost strike cleave in DnD just like SS cleave as unholy. The uncapping of AoE had far more benefit to other classes and will now push DK dps even further to the bottom of the m+ ladder
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I think frost has too many aoe talents that don’t replace frost strike atm, avalanche could be baseline with pulse, scythe and GA on the same tier, with scythe becoming an RP spender, and GA/Scythe both replacing frost strike (the most boring spammy spender ever). Might feel better?
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Either would probably work. Frost needs some kind of aoe spender outside of breath. This will definitely make obliterate more competitive in keys as well.
As it stands I’m gearing my WW for now as DK can’t even compare. Not sure why they let the changes go live for monk without nerfing SPK, instead they buffed it via the conduit.
*Raid bots says 9.1.5 changes are supported (to what degree no one knows), but currently frostsycthe sims ~100 dps lower than avalanche still.
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In mythic plus I can’t pull the numbers some classes can, but I’m still viable. Lots of mob control. While not damage, you can really help ease the pace of the dungeon while maintaining good dps numbers. (Stun, chains, grip, interupt, etc.).
In raids I get absolutely dumpstered on by better dps specs. I’m hustling to pull 6-7k on fights where rogues in same Ilvl gear are consistently holding 8.5-9k. I’m not pushing mythic, so it’s fine but it’s still aggravating to see that delta.
In pvp you shine with strong teammates to set up your burst. WW and Warrior just apply better pressure and confirm kills easier then we do though. Better sustain and mobility too.
The kit fits the theme and the visuals are cool. I really like the lore, it’s well established and pretty deep compared to other classes. You will get Raif invites for your grip/bubble.
It is a DW spec even now. So many things are of better benefit with DW. Get 2 runeforges that increase 90% of the specs damage, works better with Icecap because of DW crit mechanics, works better with BoS, KM proc rate (had to bandaid 2h by increasing its chance by over double of what DW is). Even back in Wrath DW damage (ability numbers not dps) was on par with 2h. There is footage of DW pvp players getting 28k Obliterate crits in pvp, even in private servers that are true or as close to true as you can get to wrath DW Frost numbers are just slightly under Blood DS crits by ~1k damage ~2k at the worst. 26-27k for 2h, 25-26k on average for DW frost.
All the issues that exist now existed back then and there were 0 bandaids for 2h. It was just worse and DW didnt have a single 1h str dps weapon to use the entire expansion.
The only time that 2h was competitive was the first raid tier in WoD (Highmaul / BRF), after that DW took off and it ignored Obliterate for the most part which removed a whole part of the spec. Thats why HB was pretty much nerfed and that damage put into Rime so Masterfrost would be no more. If we brought back things people liked that didnt really pan out, we would have Glad Stance back, Masterfrost, Meta Demo, Dark Apotheosis and so on.
I like DW, but I think if people want to play 2h go for it, but the spec is not designed for it so if its worse then you got to live with it. You can use an airplane as a car but it was designed to fly so fly it, use it as intended.
the developers made a mistake taking the 2 hand weapon out to the death knight class since warlords of draenor. people want to play that. you make people sad and they quit. it’s not right to do that. they should be fired for doing that. it’s just wrong. the 1 hand weapon does half the damage as the 2 hand weapon does.
yeah man bring back 2h frost why would they take it away
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they did a terrible job. people need to do better. they are afraid of my past i know of. they do this right, i might forgive them. let them know for thier sins.