You thought you wanted it but…
Well, you can’t really deny me all the mobs on a zone, i can run around the zone just as well as you, unless you do something odd like bring a guild in to play douche bag, but that is not a thing i have ever seen a problem with on my realm, even across faction.
You could go and kill quest givers etc, but you become flagged then and open to retaliation.
And that is not a thing i have ever seen a problem with on my realm either.
We kill guards, and non interactive NPC’s.
Its a universal message of Hey guys, come let’s WPVP here.
Or oops, got too close to tauren mill guards, had to kill 1, sorry.
Knowing people
I’d see that not ending terribly well
You’re one of the most vocal at defending this garbage map. Is it because you don’t want to lose your easy wins or are you really so delusional to believe that one side starting closer to objectives is balanced?
I don’t even want to hear about how our archers, npcs, etc. should make our job easier. That’s not even a consideration when you consider that alliance are instantly on defense every single game, but horde are not just because of the cave location. SF should not be a free GY for horde. Horde should not reach SHB before alliance. Losing SHGY should not end the game for alliance when horde are getting there within seconds of alliance. Summoning Ivus is so rare, it should reward extra bonus honor to alliance just for pulling it off. (that’s sarcasm btw)
Alliance have to massively outplay horde to win, but most horde will never admit that. It’s easier to keep their belief that horde are just better and alliance are all afk or farming rep.
Why defend a map when we could have gotten one that is much better. Alliance would still be participating and horde would not have 2 hour queues.
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Really no point in even bothering talking to you if your tinfoil hat is so tight you’re going to blame premades for something Blizz themselves admitted was a bug.
Did premade alliance have over a 70% winrate in AV when it lasted?
Yes they did. The problem with AV isn’t the map, if it was, other regions would see similar winrates as US server. The problem is alliance just gave up.
I’m not trying to say the map is perfectly balanced, it’s not. The horde should see a 5% higher winrate on the map with a 40/60 split at most if every other factor is even. But that’s under the current meta of scorched earth horde while allies try to bum rush the pve boss.
Alliance are not using their map strengths properly in every AV I have been in.
Then again when it’s 20vs40 it’s hard to do much at all… Between rep farming or just afk alliance usually have about 20 people not helping their win conditions and in some cases directly hurt their win conditions. (Exc, bugging the druids, giving horde more time to interrupt it)
Do the math. Other regions just have figured out a better way to get rep and honor.
- Turtle and win close to 100%: Results in 2 hour queues and 1 hour games = 1 win every 3 hours with full honor.
- Rush and win about 50%: Results in 5 minute queues and 15 minute games = 1 win every 40 minutes (plus a close loss too). Between the win and the loss you get similar honor to the turtle version.
So rewards are close to equal between the two options, the difference is 3 hours vs 40 minutes. That’s about 4.5 times faster rewards for not turtling. Yes, that may be an overestimate but even half that is reason enough not to turtle.
You are absolutely over exaggerating the issue of AFKers in AV for the purpose of making your delusional point.
Alliance typically only tend to start half-assing when we’ve already lost, IE horde gets Stonehearth GY (a vast, vast, vast, vast, all? majority of games). Despite that, I have seen tons of games where all 40 alliance are in on it from the beginning, and calling out any who don’t leave the cave to get reported (usually very few, if any).
The problem is no matter how much hype for a strat, or how vocal a player or group of players is about a strat they know is going to work this time, we either can’t hold IBGY, or can’t push past Stonehearth GY.
If you haven’t done the exalted grind on an alliance character don’t hit us with this kind of bs with a straight face because it’s fantasy and just indicates you’re using nothing but hyperbole to make your point. We see through it.
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I consider people afk if they are
Afk, botting, purely rep farm focused, fishing focused, leechers, exc.
And yes some games it has been as bad a 20vs40. I typically see around 10 alliance afk a game, 27 is the most I’ve seen in one game, so i used 20 as a middle ground for my example.
So now other regions have “found a better way” and your trying to blame it on horde.
You can do no wrong oh holy one, it’s always someone else’s fault and if you lose at anything it’s clearly because the other guy had an “unfair advantage”
Did I get it about right that time oh holy one who can do no wrong?
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No, try again.
im a horde who would like to see retail av in vanilla , ironic right ? but 1.12 overall kinda sucks, did anyone ask for this patch ? no…
layering and 1.12 instead of just non-layered patch notes in order. /shrug ?
So a much better cooordinated group won more than 50% according do you. Did I not already say alliance have to massively outplay horde to win?
What are other region win rates and where can I go to find these stats?
You’re so full of it lol. Alliance haven’t even tried to “bum rush a pve boss” since the early days of AV release when horde let them. Alliance side of the map isn’t set up to pull off scorched earth and shut horde out of all bonus honor like the horde side.
And what is the proper way? Our best choke is behind 50% of our resources and pins us behind one of hordes best chokes on the map (IWB). Do I think alliance could play better in most games? Probably, but horde aren’t exactly bringing their A game either and yet they still get the win game after game.
Hyperbole. You’re exaggerating the number of nonparticipating because it fits your narrative on why horde have this ridiculous win rate in there.
Blizzard really let us down with this map, but we still have players like you defending it. Winning 95% of your games after waiting 2-3 hours really that much fun for you?
To be fair to him I had a match last night with 19 people either standing in a mine or killing harpies which was effectively a 21vs40 that was over before que popped.
I seriously doubt you will ever be done talking. Chronic blame for anything and everything beyond your own devices and exploits.
Those mean horde and the game owners who cater to their every whim!
On another subject, why do players keep labeling things incorrectly as “scorched earth”, which implies the one doing it is destroying their own assets as they retreat. It is an incorrect term and silly to be calling what amounts to destroying everything of your enemy while allowing no losses of your own. I guess having a catchy or edgy name for something is all that matters, correct usage be damned.
Speaking to your scorched earth. Star fox “barrel roll” always made me feel it was mislabeled. But then I guess that’s what a meme is for. Lol.
It’s because of the methods used, scorched earth implies you are flat out “nuking” the battlefield with your full arsenal - they summon war riders and Ice Lord - they are “nuking” the enemy with a full arsenal.
I think the horde tactic in current AV should be rebranded “buttered noodles”.
But scorched earth is a literal military tactic that is nothing like what you described. Shock and Awe would be more appropriate. Or better yet simply “glassing”.
When I was in the Army we just called anything that was patently aggressive or overkill scorched earth ¯_(ツ)_/¯ lots of Veterans play WoW - just because Wikipedia details out the origins doesn’t make it relevant to the current military culture.
That is on a level with Maggie yelling “PHALANX OUT” in twd. Just because some foot soldiers mislabeled tactics, does not mean the meaning of the term was updated.
If one was to go to their CO and suggest a tactic of scorched earth that meant fortifying a position and not allowing the enemy through, I would expect at the least for that soldier to be laughed at and a note made concerning their mental capacity.