How do we still have this terrible AV?

[Viratrix-blaumeux]

Even with Ally premades it was never a 99% winrate for Alliance, even with the top premades it was only like 90%, most decent ones would sit around 60-70% with just random premades at like 50/50 or worse.

[Viratrix-blaumeux]

I love how point out facts about WoW history is now tinfoil hat…

Sorry you are dumb, but the Horde have been favored for nearly the entire history of WoW, this is not a theory its a fact. You can speculate as to the reason, but the fact is that Horde as been advantaged for most of WoWs history.

Also I am the one doning the tinfoil hat to deny reality as this guy makes the following claim…

@Misadventure-herod

@Graff-nathrezim

Seems like the horde were being harmed there. And they squealed like a stuck pig about it on the forums, they did!

Not with any meaningful frequency whatsoever. Why do you and others push this stuff, when most of us actually were there and know it was clearly not the case? Every time you and others try this garbage, it makes you less and less credible regarding anything else you post.

The subject is AV. I could give a rat’s rump about the other 2 BGs.

This guy actually thinks the horde were not complaining about AV premades…
For those few weeks it was hard to find a topic on these forums that WAS NOT a horde complaining about premades.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

Hmmm why do alliance generally lose AV?

Is it that the majority for allies still playing AV treat it as some kind of pve rep farm simulator?

Nah, that can’t be it!

[Misadventure-herod]

@Zakiri-stalagg

Clearly they did impact pugs, as premades were always only partial, so pugs would often benefit from them provided they followed directions and didn’t just afk at the cave.

Pugs actually won, often, because of it.

pReMaDeS bEnEfItTeD pUgS!

[Misadventure-herod]

@Zakiri-stalagg

edit- and if you’re talking about games starting with less than 40 on each side, that had nothing to do with premades.

I see, leaving the BG after zoning in was totally blizzard’s fault, perhaps even horde’s fault. Nothing whatsoever to do with premades leaving voids. Nope, no impact whatsoever. In fact, premades leaving after zoning in totally benefitted pugs. Totally. Furthermore… ~fartz~

@Zakiri-stalagg

Bugs that let matches start without full teams is entirely on Blizzard.

“Bug” that would have little to no impact had you lot not been exploiting.

@Viratrix-blaumeux

As has been stated countless times in other threads and multiple times in this thread, that is not a problem of premades that was a problem from a separate bug where bgs would start early with too few people.

The premades took what would have been an inconsequential “bug” and magnified it by a zillion %. Were you not exploiting, it would likely never need “fixed”.

[Viratrix-blaumeux]

Ok you are a troll, there is no way you are legitimately this dumb.

[Misadventure-herod]

@Viratrix-blaumeux

This guy actually thinks the horde were not complaining about AV premades…

I like how you quoted me, and then went directly to strawmanning, interpreting “any meaningful frequency” as never.

@Viratrix-blaumeux

For those few weeks it was hard to find a topic on these forums that WAS NOT a horde complaining about premades.

You are so full of . Anyone who was on the forums during that time know quite well that is a blatant lie. Your faction mates who were left in undermanned AVs however, were. Were there horde complaints? Absolutely. Any frequency remotely like you lot are claiming? NO.

[Misadventure-herod]

@Viratrix-blaumeux

Ok you are a troll, there is no way you are legitimately this dumb.

Sorry that your agenda is not getting the support you hoped for.

[Snacks-rattlegore]

There were almost no complaints on the forums about AV premades from the Alliance side because 90% of the alliance population was using premade discords.

There were pages and pages full of Horde tears though to the point of blizzard making multiple AV changes that were not part of Vanilla.

Keep being delusional though.

[Viratrix-blaumeux]

Please stop feeding the troll.

[Misadventure-herod]

@Snacks-rattlegore

There were almost no complains on the forums about AV premades from the Alliance side because 90% of the alliance population was using premade discords.

There were pages and pages full of Horde tears though to the point of blizzard making multiple AV changes that were not part of Vanilla.

Keep being delusional though.

OK, I have reached the point where I am just going to laugh at each and every one of these blatant lies.

[Snacks-rattlegore]

Delusional Horde.
Have fun with your 3 hour AV queue and infinite losses in AB/WSG as premades crush your dreams.

[Misadventure-herod]

[Eliphas-kurinnaxx]

With the amount of crying the horde do when things dont favor their 10 to 1 ratio in a battle scenario, one would think that “crying” is a talent on their tree that they specced 5 points into.

[Gythriel-windseeker]

I think you are missing something here.
We were all flagged Alliance and Horde, anyone could have run up and attacked us, if they wanted to.

It was not some case of one group just coming and camping a quest area to death, we were basically playing an open world BG

[Hiawanda-windseeker]

@Morbidmind-sulfuras

Blizz how is it Horde cries for two weeks and you patch the game to make premade organizing impossible but Alliance has to deal with this absolutely miserable experience for four months?

Oh, that is simple: Players convince Blizzard that something is CHEATING or an EXPLOIT. Then Blizzard blocks it. But Blizzard does not make changes to help players compete against other players. Any effect like that is a side-effect of blocking CHEATING or an EXPLOIT.

@Morbidmind-sulfuras

[How do we still have this terrible AV?]

There is no “still”. Blizzard has no plan to EVER “improve” Classic WoW.

Classic WoW is “the old game BEFORE the Blizzard improvements”.

So Blizzard improvements would defeat the whole purpose of Classic WoW.

[Naamtar-grobbulus]

to be honest I don’t think a lot of people fresh to Classic even realized flagging/unflagging was a thing - I remember horde invading Ironforge while unflagged players would spam AoE on them and drop Sappers, made me laugh.

[Gythriel-windseeker]

just hit a flagged player, should make you get flagged.
or heal a flagged friendly player even.

[Graff-nathrezim]

I’m sure, my point is that it’s all voluntary. You all opted-in to the PVP but someone could easily not flag and still affect another person’s gameplay by denying them of mobs and quests. On a PVP server you could attack them and stop them, on a PVE one you can’t.

In fact, this is part of the problem I have with even PVP servers: your own faction. They can mess with you by dragging mobs over you, fearing mobs into other ones, or just killing everything you need in a zone. There’s not much you can do about that if all they are there for is to mess with you. I’d really prefer that no one was protected from PVP, same faction or not.

[Xecksi-sulfuras]

really there are people out there that deny the massive amounts of posts horde made about alliance premades?

heh.