How do we know the souls we save deserved saving?

Which in the grand scheme hereof mattereth little if at all.
A fell soul willn’t a Venthyr becometh, willn’t to the ranks of the winged Kyrian ascendeth, willn’t be unwelcome among the ranks of the Undying Army, willn’t ruin the groves of the Night Fae, willn’t much manageth at all I reckon.

It seems you would require a weapon like Frostmourne to perform such an act. Who will we trust to wield such a weapon?

This sounds like an admission that the system of life and death that Sylvanas has set about to “fix” is indeed broken if it only looks at the “grand scheme” and not the individual soul.

Whate’er thief can such a weapon secureth.
'Twould be for a goodly cause, after all, and so any one that would to such an end such a weapon obtaineth would be a fair sort in my book.

Meanest thou that movement which she hath abandoned?
The one which the idiotic witch did her aid sweareth to the very intelligence behind the Lich King in pursuit of?
That one?

Yes, I would. The Maw is supposed to be eternal torment. We got the cartoony version. Only a sadist would willingly let someone rot there.

You have had enough candy after raiding my pantry. That was my soul food, and I shall have my dues!

He is saying right there that we don’t know if they are redeemable but will find out in Revendreth. It’s pretty black and white there.

And we are redeeming them from this version of the Maw, having bypassed the Arbiter, not from death.

NEVER!!
wiggles toes playfully

I like to think The Accuser is sort of a teacher for this stuff. At least for Venthyr players

You cannot on the one hand blithely allow the use of such an evil weapon because it will be for a “goodly cause” and then turn about and condemn “the witch” for also using an evil entity as a means to what she believed to be a goodly cause.

Admirable stance. I hope you will be around to rescue my miserable soul as well when the time comes :slight_smile:

And yet 100% of the souls we capture are pooled as “redeemed”. How is that possible? Is there no evil in the world that is beyond redemption? Teneval only says they have a chance, yet ALL of the souls somehow are redeemed. This cannot be so.

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And yet I did.
The banshee’s torment eternal is the greatest good of which I can fathom.

Methinks thou shouldst the concept of infinite potential afterlives besides the Maw more deeply ponderest.
Or, if it be thy wish, I can for thee the gist elaborate.

Obviously you didn’t read the entire post.

We are redeeming them from the Maw, not from death itself. They will go on to Revendreth to see if they are redeemable since they skipped the Arbiter and went straight to the Maw.

The implication here is that souls that go to Revendreth and are judged irredeemable are sent on to the Maw, which is not the case. The Maw exists in this system as a valid destination for unrepentant souls. Before the Arbiter was disabled, some souls WERE judged to have deserved being sent to the Maw, and these same souls that were intentionally there may be getting carried by us into the Covenant areas they shouldn’t have ended up in.

We can look at this one of two ways - either the system was working correctly before the Arbiter was disabled and we are now overriding that system to bring condemned souls out OR the system never worked and no souls should ever have been condemned to the Maw.

If the former is true, then WE are defying the very system of life and death.
If the latter, then Sylvanas was right and the system is broken and in need of change.

That’s totally head canon you’re creating. There is no such implication at all.

They are used for fuel… Does it matter?

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How do we know when we have to much time?

We pounder the fate of fake digital souls that we save in a fake digital world…

I want a new race Cinobite add asap…

I am under the impression in the world of Azeroth good and bad isn’t such a black or white scenario. You can be evil, however your soul can be redeemed. You are given a chance of growth in the after life. How that is done is based on your sins, and which virtues you actually had. It’s a nice thought to be honest, shouldn’t everyone be redeemable?

That’s not my main argument here. What I’m saying is that SOME souls were judged by the Arbiter to be sent into the Maw. We cannot know for sure if those same souls aren’t being brought out of the Maw by us. Not every soul we encounter arrived after the Arbiter was disabled, some are meant to be in the Maw and we are violating the Arbiters judgement by bringing them out.

All are, until they are not.

100% of them deserve saving, because the Maw is a place of eternal torment. Since it’s impossible for a mortal to commit an infinite crime, it’s inherently unjust to punish one infinitely.

The afterlife is broken, but not in the way Sylvanas thinks. It’s broken because the Maw exists and any soul can be sent there at all.

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