How do Jaina lovers defend her?

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They clearly managed to open portal to those invasion point. And with no magic users on said worlds.

Velen tried, Durotan nearly killed him for it. More importantly, if knowledge did spread about the Legion to the orcs, what would have stopped individuals from trying to commune with the Legion? If the draenei, a relatively powerful civilization, was trying to hide from the Legion, imagine what promises of power that holds for them.

Well duh, that is the point, sometime you are forced to make a choice to prevent something from happening, like the Horde gaining more powerful from dalaran.

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*Alliance players defend Jaine all the time!"

Meanwhile Horde won’t stop defending Sylvanas, and Jaina has more of a reason to be defended then Sylvanas does. But the Horde don’t want to accept that Sylvanas really isn’t doing so well morally.

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Ya, horde don’t get a right too judge jaina, not till they judge sylvanas, garrosh, and their entire factions history


The alliance was formed too keep an Eye on the horde After all, the alliance would not exist, if it were not for the horde being a constant thorn in their side.

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If anything Jaina is worse. Sure, Sylvanas attacked and burned Teldrassil but they had quite a bit of time to evacuate people. Jaina literally lured all military presence out of a capitol only leaving civilians and orphans
then attacked. :man_shrugging:

I mean, considering her purge of Dalaran and wanting to summon a tidal wave and submerge Org and kill everyone in it, I’m not really surprised
but to defend her while condemning Sylvanas is silly.

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Silly Forsaken. Everyone knows that murder it’s ok as long as the one carrying it out happens to be in the blue side.

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Right? Jaina can go around pyroblasting people in Dalaran and killing people or talk about how she wants to summon an a tidal wave and kill everyone in Org


Also pretty hilarious how every bad thing the alliance does always gets brushed off as “It’s not their fault, It’s someone else who did it!” like Arthas, Kel’thuzad, or medivh. :roll_eyes:

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They were served the dish that they order, why the fuss?

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You forget she also threw civilians in jail just because of their race.
Also, she specifically wanted to kill orphans, but, you know, she never got around it so that redeems her.

And the ones that aren’t brushed off as if someone else did it, it’s often justified and quickly forgotten and never mentioned again by anyone.

People are still bringing up Southshore.

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Right? Or Gathios. People still say “Well he was the only alliance commander left so he was in charge, It’s not the alliance’s fault he did what he did to the high elfs”

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Funny how us Horde are divided into those with Sylvie, and those against Sylvie. Implying none of us are denying what she did and are fully aware of her actions.

But the Alliance seem to be heavily defending Jaina and trying to keep their heroic face with strawmen and misdirections that someone else did it. So it’s okay that Jaina can threaten crimes at the same level as Sylvie with Teldrassil.

Hypocrisy


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My favorite excuse regarding that is “But he was only just one hooman, you can’t blame them all!” This is my favorite for two reasons.

  • Ignores the involvement of the kingdom of Dalaran completely and the fact that they rolled with Garithos’ idea.

  • When someone on Horde side does something bad, they like to group everyone with that someone like during Garrosh’s debacle.

So not only you have willful ignorance, but also hypocrisy. Certainly the spiciest of the meatballs.

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LOL The spiciest of them all


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I think alli only killed the blood elves that wouldn’t surrender (in dala). Mind you the quest to kill those lovely flying butterfly mounts was a travesty, I’m not sure what that was about or who gave that order vareesa or jaina, I think it was vareesa, she seemed slightly more unhinged than jaina at that point but I just clocked it up to the fact she lost her husband at Theramore.

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same way people defend sylvanas

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Only without the mental gymnastics.

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Not quite, those of us defending Sylvie never say she didn’t burn Teldrassil.

We’re just aware and support her methods.

Don’t you try calling us waifu freaks, some kf us just like chaos and watching things burn.

But you guys are actively trying to justify murder yourselves you know. It’s only accepted if you guys do it because it must be for the greater good amirite?

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Thought jaina attacking civilians in dalaran was a game bug though?

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Hate to break it to you bud, but Garrosh killed a lot of civilians.

Like
a lot of civilians. Have you gone through SoO recently? There are tons of Theramore citizens who captured, tortured, and killed under his rule. Openly in the streets.

Also, have you gone through WoD? He was a major player in the Iron Horde
and they did the Draenei Genocide 2.0.

And he directly blew up the Vale. I’m sure no one got hurt there.

As for Jaina? She killed a handful of people, and even then a lot of it is on sketchy grounds as the scenario was glitched and she was supposed to teleport civilians to the Violet Hold.

The Silver Covenant though? Those are the guys you want to point your fingers at.

The problem here is the extent of Jaina’s killing in the scenario is in very uncertain grounds lorewise. There have been devs (been looking for the exact source, but the devs are known to delete tweets - its pretty much common knowledge now though) that said the scenario was glitched and Jaina was only supposed to kill people who attacked first, everyone else was to be teleported away.

And honestly, that fits with her character a lot more than just murdering a bunch of civilians outright, and until we get further clarification on what happened during that event we honestly don’t know.

That being said, a lot of civilians were killed, but by the Silver Covenant, which is Veressa Windrunner’s faction. So, while Jaina herself may have expelled the Sunreavers from Dalaran for breaking their neutrality, she wasn’t the one actively slaughtering in the streets (as of current lore standings).

That was all on the Silver Covenant. And yes, Veressa should be held responsible for that. And also Blizzard, because a glitch like that should have been fixed.

(For info on how the glitch worked, going off memory so I am probably wrong, it was basically how NPCs handle agro. In scripted events, Jaina would teleport NPCs to the Violet Hold, however in unscripted events where an NPC would somehow land on Jaina’s agro table, she would nuke them)

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I don’t think you understand that threatening to murder children, and civilians with a giant tidal wave is pretty evil and heartless.

She’s a brat who can’t let go of Theramore, and deserves retribution

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The Houjin are punching bags inside the Horde!
Just watch the way they are received!

The difference is glaring, when we see the way Varian receives Aysa and his group, for how Garrosh treats Ji and his entourage!

This is the biggest flaw in Horde’s philosophy of servitude in relation to Warchief!
No one contests or refuses a stupid order, at risk of being a traitor!

If Horde is lucky enough to have a leader with Thrall or Vol’jin, she thrives and acts decent, even in wartime.

If it’s a warmonger like Garry or a nihilist with Syl? ‘Burn it! BURN IT!’

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