Whatever.
It’s just a shame you are spreading miss information and making there be less people playing the under represented specs even though they are totally viable
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And it’s a shame that people like you keep doing your “THIS IS FINE” routine no matter how bad the spec is.
There’s that magic word again! “Viable”.
Because nobody ever wanted to play a character that was actually GOOD at anything, right? “Hey this is awesome my class is totally viable” – said no one, ever.
of I have a friend getting into the game I tell them to play the class they enjoy because they can all so everything they need to.
Please, stop talking on my post.
You’re doing nothing helpful.
Is from the original post.
I am simply answering it by saying that being guardian spec will not be a problem in any level of content you choose to do with very few exceptions. I’m answering your post.
Okay, so you take a small snippet of my post to go on your class communism spiel but ignore the prose of the post…
Gtfo.
This whole post is as if your wish was blizzards command. Go scout out the monk forums and learn that your other leather wearing tank is going to be knocked back to mid-bottom of the pack as well. You wanted bear to be better then blizzard can certainly acclmidate… by making brew take like 20% more damage and having a large amount less health… oh and cut back your gift of the ox orbs in half.
Bear will not look so bad next patch.
who the heck said anything about me wanting to monk tank? The icon is simply monk because this forum likes to keep changing which icon it wants me to use even if I try changing it to another. Which is funny because the monk is probably my least played.
But besides that, EVERYTHING you said was irrelevant.
If your group is bringing a Bear to content, they’re usually bringing the player and not the class. That’s why you’re tanking Mythic Azshara or tanking +18s. Your group loves playing with you, and they’d rather have you than some random Monk or warrior.
Short Answer:
Guardians have been able to do everything all the other tanks have for awhile now. Also, being a tank means not having to really worry about getting into groups if you pug, as people are more than willing to take any tank they can get.
Long Answer:
I’ve been playing Guardian since the tail end of season one of BFA till now (I was playing a Vengeance Demon Hunter at the start of BFA and a Brewmaster for most of Legion). So far this expansion I’ve played two of the least represented specs in Mythic + and raid tanking. While on the raiding side it hasn’t held me back at all (my guild sticks to heroic, so that as you will). On the Mythic + side it hasn’t hurt me either, as I’ve managed to push into doing 15s an 16s already this season on my bear; my vengeance is equally as capable, I just don’t want to put the time into him at the moment. I know the only thing holding me back from pushing higher currently is not the class, but the coordination with my team ( we are currently working on this part) and the strategies we use for each dungeon (need a bit of fine tuning here also).
There are Guardian Tanks that have pushed into the 20s so far and that have tanked Mythic Eternal Palace. So at this point you need to ask yourself, is it a class I enjoy or will I let whatever flavor of the month on the MDI dictate my play in a game. You can’t look at the quantity of tanks doing certain things, only if there are tanks of each class playing at the same level. Because if everything was balanced perfectly in this game, you would still see an imbalance in the number of tanks, simply because the vast majority of people prefer a different style.
Also, are there things that another class has advantages over Guardian with? Sure! But, there are also things that Guardians can handle that other classes can’t. Want to solo the responsibilities for a maggot or two in Underrot while tanking the whole time, no problem just get used to using and timing your hibernates. Need to break the non-interruptible cast of certain mobs in Tol Dagor? No problem, just alternate between typhoon and disorienting roar. Need to kite for necrotic stacks to drop? Great, we have typhoon and vortex to help us run as far away as needed, not to mention our two run speed boost.
Also our biggest boost in groups is the ability to have a battle rez from the tank, just incase the healer or DPS gets knocked down by a bad combo. Can’t tell you how many times a last minute rez has saved my groups.
The point is, that if you are always looking at what others have you will always come up short. But no other class has our entire combo of utility, we just need to figure out how to use it all and plan around it. Do we still need a few tweaks from blizzard in terms of balancing and stuff, sure. Well, this is all my opinion, you are free to ignore it or disagree with it. I just hope it has helped you make up your mind on what to play.
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My mistake I thought the topic of the post was to find out how bear measured up against other tanks doing content I’m this game. Ya know. The title. If that’s not true maybe edit your op
Lmao you think it’s class class communism that I’m saying every spec is capable?
Hilarious
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Except you didn’t answer this. At all. You didn’t address ANYTHING about how they compare, just that “EVERYONE CAN DO EVERYTHING!”. Your whole being here is absolutely ridiculous.
@ [Palthas] Well, when I quit, bear druids were in such a bad spot that they couldn’t push higher keys simply because 1) their damage was so awful it made them too slow or that extra bit of damage lacking made it so that fights took longer. 2) they had no magic mitigation so that hurt them 3) and physical mitigation was so far under the other tanks that it made it really punishing on your healer to keep you up. As such, a demon hunter could easily have more health than a druid… and that’s supposed to be a druid’s thing!
There is a point that being slightly under something is negligible and the drastic margin between the optimal tanks (monk/DK/Warrior/Pally) were at the beginning of BFA. Another comparison would be just how awful druid tanks were in WoD (sorry if we’re not supposed to mention that expansion) where they weren’t just -5% on mitigation compared to warriors/paladins/dk… they were 20% worse at it at best and even moreso considering the way their mastery was counterintuitive at the time (it procs on a large hit, shaves off a tiny hit. It procs on a tiny hit, it shaves off a tiny bit of the large hit. And that was physical only and still had nothing on the other tanks.) and that was assuming it somehow procced at just the right time to shave off a big hit and not be wasted on a tiny hit.
So yes, there is a point you have to ask if its comparative use. If it was still like it was at the beginning of BFA, they were unusable for pushing content.
So far having been to icy veins since, I see they had some rage reduction to casts and +15% damage to thrash and mangle, but not sure that’s quite enough to compensate for what druids were lacking. That would probably be better explained by azerite traits if any have made them around 5% margin to the other tanks.
My bad. Druid tanks are a bit on the left hand side of the bell curve.
That being said you won’t be limited by playing one.
Better?
I genuinely dont think any answer will satiate the OP. Dude refuses to try and promote conversation and instead instantly attacks anything anyone else says.
Guardian has great sustained dps in 5 mans and is tanky enough to handle all raid scenarios. Once you hit the +20 and greater keys every pull has to be preplanned and the coordination has to be top notch making sure no enemies get key casts off. Certain weeks will be a lot easier than others on guardian as they will be on all tanks. What the brewmaster/warrior/paladin have that bear does not is the ability to stay in the fights longer and/or kite more reliably. Ring of peace and sweep are far superior to ursols vortex and roar. Warrior has far more CDs to be able to stay in most packs for significantly longer plus avatar lines up really well with most trash pulls in higher keys as well. Both warrior and monk have far better mobility as well and they also offer group wide dps increase. Bear might have a brez but when every group is running a resto druid or UH DK already why bring a bear for brez? Having the physical dps increases from warrior or monk tanks is simply superior.
All of this is at much higher keys as has been said a lot. If you want to come back and play bear then do it. Getting to 1500-2k io is definately possible as a bear. And if you find a raid slot with cool people you can defeat every boss with a guardian as well.
What are your goals is the biggest question you need to ask yourself. The only goals that guardian will struggle to accomplish are if you want to be cutting edge in a matter of weeks or push 3k+ io
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You should probably check out Druid changes for the last couple of patches if you haven’t paid attention since the launch of BFA.
Patch 8.1 was a 12% damage boost and got rid of a lot of useless azerite traits for decent ones. Also gave us Vortex instead of the disorienting roar talent.
Patch 8.2 was another 15% damage boost to Mangle and Thrash. The lowered rate cost to help us in addition to boasting Frenzied Regen to around 32 or 33% i forget which. There were a few more changes in addition to our utility, like Hibernate and Soothe being usable in bear form. Our damage isn’t as spikey as a Warrior or Demon Hunter, but our overal sustain is pretty good at this point. Especially in AoE. It isn’t the best but we aren’t the bottom anymore either. Probably upper middle now, but I need to check the numbers again.
Also, essences have helped Druids a lot in filling in some gaps in our mitigation. Like the minor for Vision of Perfection + the talent that lowers the cooldown is a great combo. It helps to keep us sturdy more often in bigger pulls. I run with a couple of very high DPS players that easily burst into the 100-200k range. I don’t have a problem holding agro with no tricks or misdirect as long as they give me a couple seconds before bursting like that. Of course I have around 20% versatility with my food buff and get over 30 or 40% with the minor from Aegis of the Deep. It helps a lot with damage and damage reduction. Not to mention that I can clear grievous when needed by myself with Frenzied Regen and a tiny bit of kiting if necessary. It helps the healers a lot and let’s them focus on others.
Like I said before, this is my opinion. But we aren’t that far behind the rest in the mitigation department depending on how you manage your cooldowns and work with your healers. I’m usually pulling around 40-60k DPS in AoE pulls easily depending on how large I can pull and how many global I need to sacrifice to controlling mobs (we almost never have a rogue in our groups, so a lot of interruptions fall to me which lowers the amount of DPS time I have compared to meta group comps).
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Yeah, how about go away with this stupidity. I have, and have been responding to those who’ve actually engaged with the topic and called out you hijackers.
he is literally answering your question.
You asked how druid tanks are going. he answered.
why are you so mad about that?
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they had a 12% straight up damage buff all around? That’s missing from the patch changes on icy veins unless I’m just blind.
I would assume then that compared to expansion start that’s about an 18% damage buff in general (as mangle and thrash are still the majority of damage) so that might be something, if the other tanks were nerfed as I remember druids were 20%-30% below all the other tanks in just damage. But that at least is comparable.
Thanks any how, I need to look at how the azerite traits compare.
@Aveldruid : No, Tewa and Palthas are answering the question.
YOU got aggressive at Tewa for answering my question and weren’t answering the question yourself.
Those dps boosts were huge. Plus with conflict and strife… it gets even better. You dont have an offensive CD but your sustained (especially on multi targets) is among the best of tanks. Massive burst pulls warrior still is king. And paladin with wings beats you out. But in extended aoe fights guardian deals quite good damage for a tank.
The bear is very comparable to other tanks now. Its main weakness is that other than Brez it doesnt bring a ton of utility to a group. And so long as DK and resto are strong you might as well bring another class with more variety in utility.
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