i post you the source behind.
Forgot to include a timestamp; I donât think itâs unreasonable to say Iâm not interested in watching a 22-minute video for a single piece of information.
You can tell itâs Ion like 10 seconds into the video. Itâs clearly his voice.
Ok, 10 secondsâthatâs a timestamp.
Wasnât hard.
And just to clarify, Iâm not trying to doom and gloom this and suggest thereâs nothing we can do to unravel this dumpster fire. The problem is it is really only possible with very drastic measures.
I hate time travel in plots because itâs basically always full of holes. But I donât have a lot of better options.
They could try to drastically walk back the amount of devastation done in Teldrassil, which basically means the entire founding element of BfA was way overblown and a giant lie, and still leaves the Horde as âattemptingâ genocide which isnât much better.
They could let us find out that NâZoth controlled our minds the entire last expansion as some ridiculous twist. NâZoth was actually freed by Sargerasâ sword. Every conflict between the factions was actually a conflict between one faction and NâZoth. Some other off putting explanations for everything else. At least NâZoth puts up more of a fight than just 8.3 then. At the end Sylvanas saw she was a scapegoat and no one would believe her and she got pissed off and left.
They could portray Sylvanas as having to make a choice between the people of Teldrassil and trillions of other lives that were going to the Maw and therefore she took an irredeemable action in an effort to eventually undermine the Jailer and save the universe. She also couldnât tell anyone because the Jailer has infiltrated everywhere and holds her soul in the balance. In the end she figures out enough of the Jailers plan to help the scrappy heroes of Azeroth go murder hobo on the Jailer and save the universe. She dies in the process, but the magic of all the thankful super powerful cosmic entities that needed our help somehow revives folks they can still save who were wrongfully sent to the Maw even reviving the victims at Teldrassil. Sylvanas is revived and goes the Illidan route and becomes the keeper and torturer of the Jailer for eternity. Or until she makes a convenient plot device.
I mean honestly, in comparison, is time travel a bridge too far for all of these suggestions.
They could try to drastically walk back the amount of devastation done in Teldrassil, which basically means the entire founding element of BfA was way overblown and a giant lie, and still leaves the Horde as âattemptingâ genocide which isnât much better.
Iâm going to snip this out - thatâs not hard to do - they gave themselves the basis for doing that in Elegy. All they need to do on this point is clarify that it wasnât as bad as we thought it was. Does it undo the Hordeâs issues? No, but it does make the situation somewhat better.
Okay thatâs one.
Thatâs minus 2.
Who was removed from the Blizzard team and put on Hearthstone exclusively.
Metzen identified with Thrall but mained Alliance, as per the tweets linked earlier (2 of them).
A Male Human Paladin, of all things lmao
That Ion is Gurgthock has been known for a very long time, as far as Iâm aware. Elitist Jerks wasnât just a hardcore guild, but it was also the premiere theorycrafting site in earlier WoW. They actually split off from the guild Iâm currently in back in WoWâs original beta.
Danuser plays a Nightborne Hunter. His twitter banner has Suramar in it.
Again, playing a character in 2019 is not the same as maining that character lol
(case in point at this self insert)
To be fair, Kyalin, you do kind of give off that impression. Like a while back when you told me that making a storyline where the Alliance feels competent and the Horde doesnât feel villainized was âthe best we could do.â
I believe the terms youâre looking for are âWolverineâ and âCaptain America.â
And that philosophy (which was announced back in Cata, IIRC) is what got us to where we are now.
Evidence points to him maining a Nightborne hunter. He tweeted his character and has Suramar as his twitter banner. Him loving Sylvanas and Nathanos(both are Hunters/Rangers) makes him playing an elf hunter make that much more sense.
Yes, it is.
In the end, there are only two (bad) options- the Convoluted Way Out (retcon events to undo/mitigate the Hordeâs actions in BFA, several of which youâve described) and the Lazy Way Out (The Horde Feels Bad and the Alliance just forgives them with a handwave of âWeâre too weak to actually hold them accountable anywayâ , which is what Blizzard is doing).
You know what? I actually find the Lazy Way Out less stupid than the Convoluted Way Out. Theyâre still BOTH stupid, and I DO think there has to be at least some action on the part of the Horde to repair damages done beyond saying âOops, my bad, I was tricked!â Things like using their druids and shaman to undo Darkshoreâs damage, and fully withdraw from Ashenvale (again) and Gilneas (âŠdo they even have it still?). Will these things be shown in-game? AHAHAHA of course not! That would require updating the world, and THAT wouldnât be the Lazy Way Out! Theyâll be put in a book! You want to see things actually get better? Your paid subscription isnât good enough, but you can read about it for only $19.99 on Amazon! $9.99 Kindle edition!
EDIT: Making Nâzoth secretly behind everything would have been the smart thing to do, but you see, Blizzard is too smart to do the smart thing! Thatâs what makes hem smart! And that would have made Sylvanas less important, canât have THAT. An expansion isnât just an expansion, it HAS be an incomplete story that leads into the next expansion!
To be fair, Kyalin, you do kind of give off that impression. Like a while back when you told me that making a storyline where the Alliance feels competent and the Horde doesnât feel villainized was âthe best we could do.â
Iâm not quite sure where youâre arguing that this means we canât rebuild or redeem the Horde in the eyes of its playerbase - unless youâre arguing that faction conflict is just incompatible with that - which I donât agree with either.
We do have some limits, of course - but that doesnât mean I agree with Droiteâs idea that thereâs literally no way to make the Horde feel good about itself.
have you a source, that he ÂŽs maining alliance?
None, but youâve only presented two cases of a confirmed Horde main (Ion and Kosak), latter of which is no longer part of the game team. So of three confirmed (Ion, Kosak, Afrasiabi), two are gone from WoW.
The question was, âHow many Blizzard executives have stated, openly and proudly, they main Horde?â The question was not, âhow many execs main each factionâ.
Posting a Nightborne circa 2019 is not confirmation of maining.
Those figures may be gone, but that doesnât mean weâre not still feeling their impact. Kosakâs âHero Factoryâ model again is something that directly carried into BFA, and if theyâre serious about planning expansions out 2 years in advance, that puts him in the Lead Narrative Designer chair for that.
You know what using retcons/time travel to undo BFA reminds me of? Spider-Man: One More Day.
So, Marvel had a stupid story that had a lot of shock value but very poorly-thought out consequences called Civil War in the works, and one of the poorly-though out stupid shock value moments was Spider-Man publicly revealing his identity. As a result, Aunt May eats a sniperâs bullet and is dying. Spider-Man goes to every super scientist and wizard in the world asking for them to save her. But they canât because⊠thatâs not the story the writers wanted to tell. No, the guys who are literally more powerful than some gods canât help a bullet wound! So, Peter makes a deal with the Devil to save Aunt May in exchanged for his marriage to MJ being retconned away! Because⊠because the people in charge didnât like the fact that Spider-Man was married and wanted to make him single again, just like he was when they had started reading Spider-Man comics. And it was all very stupid, because that was decades ago and the fans they were trying to sell their product to had moved on and accepted MJ as part of the story.
A few years later they tried to help justify One More Day by writings One Moment In Time, explaining exactly how things had happened differently that resulted in Peter and MJ not actually getting married. And it too was very stupid. Peter was late for his wedding because a fat man fell on him and knocked him out for hours. Peter, who can lift train engines and get hit by the Hulk. And when he came to and realized heâd missed his wedding, did he decide to just re-schedule it? No, because the people in charge didnât want him to BE married, because⊠oh, and he and MJ still lived together all that time they just werenât MARRIED because⊠oh⊠and⊠because⊠uh⊠things⊠uh werenât changed but they were so that uhâŠ
I quit reading Spider-Man comics for a decade.
BFA is a VERY stupid story, done by people who had stupid reasons to do it. It is all horribly contrived, but trying to deal with it in an equally; or worse; MORE contrived manner, EVEN IN A FANTASTIC SETTING, will only raise more questions and reveal more logical holes. Piling more #### upon a big pile of #### doesnât make the original pile go away, it only makes it bigger. If you try to touch the big pile of #### youâre just going to get #### on your fingers.
To be fair, we donât know what most of them play.
We only know about Golden because of the white-haired Selfinsert in her books, that she plays a white-haired Human Mage.
Metzen said something about it in the past, but most of them, we have no idea. the new lead quest designer play horde too. he said something about it on twitter
https://twitter.com/TerranGregory/status/1359585863605211137
Thrall gets an exclusive Table discussion, so, its again a horde char in focus on blizzcon.
I donât recall an Alliance character ever getting an exclusive table round, not one. So, we should definitely rethink this âBlizzard hates usâ thing.
And when he came to and realized heâd missed his wedding, did he decide to just re-schedule it? No, because the people in charge didnât want him to BE married
Kind of a tangent, but speaking as someone who did have to reschedule a wedding because of unforeseen events⊠itâs not anywhere as trivial as youâre putting it here. âJust reschedule itâ is a logical answer, sure, but itâs still an emotional and financial gutpunch. If I were MJ in that situation, Iâd feel like I was being left at the altar - thatâs not something that you just get over.