Weren’t they originally going to make him a bad guy until Blizzard realized he was really popular?
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That was the original intention yeah. Thankfully they didn’t go through with it. Bwom is one of the few horde aligned NPCs I actually enjoy/love. 
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I wonder if his ‘Boss’ would’ve been the Jailer if the had. And… what would they have done with him in De Other Side then?
Probably would’ve been the dungeon we permantly kill him.
Oh… Weeell I’d be forever pissed at Blizzard then. I’m still salty over Rastakhan lol
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The Winter Queen fights Bwonsamdi for the souls of the trolls. We move to destroy the sources of his mojo. The souls of the trolls will be disassembled into anima.
“A wonderful plot.”
Which is fair, Rakastan was done dirty from what I’ve heard
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Im just trying to think through the technical side of all of this too, because I am 100% here for this. I think a solid part would be to attempt and resize Silvermoon proper to Suramar. The city itself is its own zone, as are all of the original capital cities, so there really isn’t any barriers to just doubling, tripling, etc, its size from my understanding.
The issue I find is that the ruined portion of the city was directly put into the questing experience for new characters starting in Sunstrider Isle. Which all this is probably out of our scope but I’d like to think practical as well. So we either gotta redo the whole starting experience, which is perfectly fine, or keep that ruined part of Silvermoon, well, ruined. It can actively be rebuilt through those quest stories, but it kinda is an integral part of the zone’s geography. I also doubt we want to level the whole section.
This may be a good time to treat cities like living zones the way Suramar, Boralus, and Dazar’alor are. Part hub, part questing, and effectively cut off Sunstrider Isle as a sanctuary, optional questing, or fun exploratory part of the zone.
It would be beautiful, in my mind, to have bridges over the dead scar portion of the city and either have it remain as a painful memory but also inspiration to build further, or paved over golden as a memorial to all that fell, which divide the hub and questing portions of the city. Have the questing portion have little ‘safe’ zones with Horde guards, a lot of neutral NPCs, (contractors, criminals, haywire machines, maybe a spy or two) for the questing. It has the all the new races talking and rebuilding, goblins with shops, ‘Bladesong Academy’ with Orcs and Elves training, the list goes on. It retains the story and feel of a safe faction city why offering something mechanically as well. But also carve out like a troll embassy in the main, ‘safe,’ section of the city for good will. Zandalari Prelates keeping guard.
Just another idea/alternative since we kinda gotta deal with the technicals and practicals as well.
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Nah Ardenweald does not look like any Horde ecology.
Ardenweald themes are purely based on Western Euro magical fairy dark forest, which is not the theme for any Horde race. At most you can tie it with Belves but they’re basically anti nature and are Day Forest themed.
But it is a recurring Alliance theme, and this Elune crap doubles down.
Yes, because Horde lore characters only exist to be villain batted
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And it doesn’t have to to make it work, but I can already tell you didn’t read the rest of my post you quoted
I did, but him being the “Consort” doesn’t fix neither the thematic issue for Ardenweald nor the fact it would tie Troll lore into Ardenweald and secondary to it, thus putting “The Other Side” as pocket dimension under Elune’s sister.
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Nobody said anything about him being a consort. I said they could have made him equal, as in status, to the WQ. If it’s okay to tie the NE to Ardenweald, instead of giving them a Elune specific afterlife, nothing wrong with tying the trolls to Ardenweald also.
Bwonsamdi couldn’t be an Eternal One because he’s a former mortal; going into SL he was already secondary to Mueh’zala.
Night Elves tying to Ardenweald make sense because of the Elune being the Winter Queen’s sister now. With Trolls it’s a nonsequitor and honestly disrespectful to Troll themes.
Plus again, Night Elf aesthetic and Ardenweald aesthetic are based on the same IRL aesthetic.
Why do any of them have to be tied to a specific afterlife anyway? Even if they’re night elves or trolls or draenei or whatever, they’re still their own people. There’s nature lovers, true. There’s also soldiers, priests, prideful jerks, and millions of other people too.
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Why is it okay for night elves not to have gotten their own afterlife, the WQ didn’t give a damn about the night elves and has no connection to them. She didn’t care, only the Wild Gods are important to her.
Just because the WQ is Elune’s sister doesn’t mean she perceives the night elves as particularly important or special at all, something Elune would do. She calls Ysera Elunes Pet…and because of the night elves she actually just said “well…let them out of here…there and there…yeah…well next”
its exist no connection between the wq and the night elves.
They don’t necessarily HAVE to be tied to any specific afterlife, that’s true. And you’re right about the other stuff in your post
Except the Horde military in WoT HAD some of those races with “high senses” ergo the Nelves had too people countering their skill set? Saurfang killed the druid cause the Nelf made the mistake of engaging directly, and a consumated experienced warrior will overcome another “warrior” whose skills use the surprise element as a basis and that lost that surprise element in the confrontation.
Also, why do you think it was a BELF the one that could plant the trap for the pack of druids? because as a Blood Elf he can see just as good as them in the dark, can be just as silent as them Nelves AND used shadow magic -as a main rogue of the old school I hate so much this, but it´s canon lore- to aid his stealth. He and his buddy the hunter were a good counter for a pack of DISTRACTED druids whose attention was focused in the warriors they were cheating, not on their surroundings.
Again, this is a case of a combination of factors defeating the Nelves, not a Belf/Orc/insert Horde race one-shoting them effortlessly.
Not very valid IF regular “camp esque” fire was good enough to burn them to ashes.
Omg, what is this embarrasing response?!? That´s not even an answer, you literally posted like a juvenile pre-pubescent child making hyperbolic mockery and nothing else.
I´m not the one refusing to read the story and acting like a pouting child because Blizzard didn´t represent my fav pet race as God tier… you are. Blizzard devs -even with all their incompetence- really tried to ciment the idea the Nelves “lost” in WoT NOT because the Horde was “stronger” but because the Horde generals were more cunning… nothing else. Literal same scenario as the Fall of Quel´thalas, in which Arthas didn´t “won” because he was God tier, he won because he was a better General and used a smarter strategy than the elves (he used their weakness against them and exploited their mistakes… Sylvanas and Saurfang did the same), no more and no less.
War of Thorns had:
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The Horde of Kalimdor + the Horde from Eastern Kingdoms (both Forsaken and Blood Elves were present)
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Less than 50% of the Night Elf army (ergo NOT "the entirety of the Night Elves). Are you suggesting Night Elf civilians MUST be stronger than Horde soldiers just because they happen to be Night Elves? Is that your argument?
Says the poster whose only contribution to this thread was “but MUH revennge of Teldrassil, Hurde MUST lose so muh Nelves get revenge… btw I don´t give a rat´s butt on how the Hurde rebuilts afterwards!!!”
Me thinks the one literally “whining like a little girl because you don’t get your toys” is you.
I don´t think you know what hypocrisy means, after all, YOU are the one that still INSISTS in a failed double standard idea while putting words in my mouth I haven´t ever said. I don´t give a rat´s butt over the aparent strenght of the Nelves, but I won´t let NEFPAS to use their headcanons so they can justify their arbitrary and hyperbolic demands (cause THIS is the issue: those posters use a false interpretation of the lore to say “Night Elves were humiliated and we want “justice”, ergo the Horde needs to receive a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Nelves first and foremost!! We don´t know -nor evidently care- how the Horde “fixes itself” afterwards, that´s the job of the Horde players!!”… and this without taking into account the ones that go an extra step demanding the punishment of the Horde racial leadership cast, so they get replaced by “Alliance approved characters”).
Alredy put on the quotes in which YOU say Nelves should have totes defeated the Horde in WoT. And considering the Horde had most of it´s military there while the Nelves had most of their military wn route to Silithus, well…
Is this a thread about MY behaviour? Cause funny, I don´t think it is.
And as I mentioned, if my posts bother your delicate sensibilities, the only thing you have to do is IGNORE them, not continue to act like a histerical aunt, period.
Well… that kinda happens when you CAN´T support your arguments, man. If you find yourself insulting ME instead of saying: “oh Ariel, but this and these sources support my argument” then indeed we could maybe go deeper in a discussion. However if you pretend to “win” the discussion by deafult then indeed we dpon´t need to waste more time.
Support yourt points WITH THE LORE, not with your opinions… cause I don´t care about those, I care about the lore, period.
It was a world building choice to do it the way they did.
They could’ve:
- confirmed all Night Elves go to Ardenweald because it is the Night Elf afterlife because Winter Queen is tied to Elune
- Had Mueh’zala be an Eternal One and Bwonsamdi eventually replace him (like Renathal replaces Denathrius) in another Covenant Zone
- Have Bwonsamdi’s Covenant Zone be the Ancestor Land
- All Ancestor Worshipping races go to Ancestor Land usually
- Winter Queen and Bwonsamdi have a deal that some Night Elves become wisps (because you know, we don’t have an explanation for wisps yet), revealing Aessina is actually tied to the Winter Queen in this capacity as the first mortal that was allowed to go into a Wildseed to revive
- Other cool stuff like reveal all Worgen go to Ardenweald because they have a Wild God curse and so are technically “part” Wild God
There were other choices, other options, that would’ve built within the existing lore instead of disregarding almost all existing lore for new stuff.
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In fact, no part of their army was there, only the guards and those who were recruited.
In addition, it should be noted that I myself wrote that they are equally strong when both are fully deployed. This assumes that the night elf army + Tyrande and Malfurion should have been present and not only this minipart.
My complaint is not that the Horde beat the Night Elves, my complaint is what came after, Blizzard’s handling of it.
However, these did not say that. And you’re taking it out of context. I explained to Droite why the night elves did not lose even more. 
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Which is a narrative choice on the part of Blizzard. Night Elves, and other Elune worshipping races, could’ve been “honored guests” of the Winter Queen.
We could’ve arrived and have Night Elf players get special dialogue, WQ is extra friendly, and we later understand why because Nelves are her sister’s favorites.
It was a choice.
Also
You know damn well Elune is a connection. You would care about your sister’s adopted kids.
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