forcing people into 4 months of repeating same 10 minutes easy content is bad for everyone.
Iâd discuss this a little more with you, but itâs obvious you have a really, really narrow view of what WoW is, and anything outside of that is beneath contempt.
Iâm not even gonna bother. Especially when I basically addressed the (weak) point you just made.
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Itâs not like you lost anything by doing the extra zones and findin out like that.
How?
We can still only get 1 rank per week due to the time-gating on the actual quests.
Changing it so you can acquire more pages per Vision you do, does not change this. On the contrary actually. As you stated there, about how we should have some form of catch-up and time-gating.
This is all fine. This thread wasnât created due to that particular part.
The goal wasnât to try to change how the basics of the system are made. More about how to adjust a particular part which would result in nothing but more availability for players in terms of how they approach doing Visions.
With a change like what Iâm suggesting, you would be able to do 1 entire clear and get most of the pages.
Then you can use the other Vessels you have to go for Visions where you want to try out different Masks/combos.
But if you, like in the game now, know that a minimum of X number of Vessels are required for the week just to finish the quest itself, most people would not want to risk or try anything harder in there or want to focus on other side objectives just to avoid the risk of not having enough Vessels to upgrade the cloak.
If we instead turn this around and opt for a design where, we can obtain more than 2 pages per Vision(number depending on how many areas you clear).
How would this affect the amount of time/weeks it takes to upgrade the cloak?
How would it affect the âcasualâ player?
Would âbasement-trollsâ as you call them have a big advantage with a system like the above?
I would argue not. As, like has already been established, thereâs 1 quest to be done per week. No more.
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What is the max level for the cloak?
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15(+)
You can not get more than 15 levels. But thereâs a progression path beyond level 15 for your cloak where you an add more corruption resistance(from what Iâve found at least).
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/obtain-legendary-cloak-overview-upgrading-stats-procs
This part seems to work similarly to how the lego Rings in WoD worked by killing Archimonde on a weekly basis.
Something like that.
Edit:
In that guide, if you scroll down you can also find a table showing whatâs required each week for to complete the upgrade quest.
Next week(rank 11) requires 4 runs minimum for 8 pages of âFear and Fleshâ.
The week after that for rank 12, we only need 1 run for the upgrade.
This, I assume, is where we instead have to go into a Lost Area to obtain the book âThe Final Truthâ. Although I havenât found anything on exactly where we get the book from or the pages for the book.
And the following weeks, we proceed by acquiring pages for that book instead.
From Wowhead/the guide:
Rank 12 - 15
This section is all speculation, as we havenât gotten to these quests yet.For the final 3 quests, youâll probably need to collect parts that only drop from the Tier 3 Lost areas.
Anyway, for rank 13, we need 6x Torn Page of âThe Final Truthâ = 3 runs/Visions
minimum. Still appears as if weâre required to do Lost Areas for these pages.
For rank 14, we need 12x Torn Page of âThe Final Truthâ = 6 runs/Visions.
And finally, for rank 15, we need 18x Torn Page of âThe Final Truthâ = 9 runs/Visions.
Having said that, again based on what Iâve seen in the guide, these new types of pages can only come from clearing Lost Areas. But I canât say for sure. Maybe they made it so you can get them from the slightly easier, Corrupted Areas as well?
Weâll have to wait and see about that.
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Thatâs true. Being able to get more than two pages per vision would help casual players, not hurt them. Fewer runs required strictly for upgrading means less time required for grinding out the tickets. That can only help people who arenât spending as much time in game.
Itâs not like we can get to the next step of the quest any faster anyway, thanks to weekly time gating.
Very strange that there is such a lack of confidence in the content that they add these kinds of restrictions. Itâs actually fun on its own.
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They either didnât balance it (think youâd be far enough along your titan research tree to pull this off) or thought youâd take less risks than you did.
It also didnât help how unbalanced these corruption effects were. You had some players clearing horrific visions by the second week.
Also - the gearing curve is so wild right now that it is almost impossible to balance content like this.
For example week 1 of a mythic EP geared player was vastly different than week 1 for an LFR/emissary player. It was the same thing with mage tower honestly.
Could always stock up on Vessels. Its what Im doing for rank 11.
Indeed.
Especially as time moves forward and more of the players, not having the time to do everything all the time, get ready to do full or at least near-full clears.
I mean, again, the result is that you would not need to obtain so many Vessels every week but still being able to complete the cloak upgrade.
Yep.
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Less time spent upgrading, more time for helping out guildies or just exploring visions. Win/win.
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The facts it has a cap is beyond retarded. Next upgrade we will need to do 4 runs min for rank 11. Thats going to take up all your keys. So now I canât do any mask runs because I would be an idiot to potentially waste a key on failing. If people do full clears they should get 4 pages end of story. Imo also with each mask you have on get an extra page for full clear.
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If you could get more than two pages per run, that would make it easier to catch up to other people.
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In short. Yep.
If we had that option it would do nothing but help anyone who either regularly doesnât have the time to do near-daily clears of assaults for the Vessels required. Not to mention anyone who might have weeks where work or school(or anything really) might require more time.
You would ofc with fewer Vessels not be able to focus much on side objectives or Mask-runs or similar. But with the above, you could keep up with the main objective even in times when youâre busy in other aspects of your life.
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wow is so good at making boring content take longer 8 pages this week so 4 horrible visions awesome
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Just bloody 2 per run I wish i knew that from the beginning i wouldnât bust my neck going for 3-4 areas per run.
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It will be 18 pages on rank 15 just fyi. Try getting that done in one week!
9 runs. If you average 4 vessels per week you need to end this week with at least 3 vessels to get all 9 done in a single week. If you average 5, you can end this week with 0 and still use 2 for none cloak related runs and still get your Rank 15 cloak the week it comes out.
I average one. 
If you averaged 1 vessel per week you wouldnât have a rank 10 cloak.