Horde vs. Ally Start point in AV

Your ignoring the fact this this version of the map was used in classic and Alliance players did just fine, even with Horde doing what you call ‘scorched earth’

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Not so. Every single horde and alliance pvper would need to do AV regularly for that to be the case. Since a mere fraction of alliance pvpers do AV it can quite easily be the reason.

If the horde had 40 afkers every AV and lost 100% of those games I wouldnt be sitting here telling you the horde are just as good in AV because they dont afk in the other bgs.

The win rate was just fine, your revisionism is not helping you.

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Why does alliance suck this time around?

In original we almost never lost to horde. No one complained.

Today it flipped, on all exact same. And alliance is crying instead of playing well.

My guess all good players went horde this time around.

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Lol guess you just weren’t playing at the time.

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Horde were not using scorched earth in vanilla, plain and simple.

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Alliance aren’t countering it. It’s not hard.

There isn’t an effective counter for it, hence the issue.

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Why not? I’ve played both sides. There are easy counters, but alliance doesn’t bother trying.

And when alliance does it, horde are just as lazy and just let it go too.

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Again, NOT TRUE. Where do you come up with this crap?

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Then that’s not an effective counter if horde has to let you do it.

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Both sides are lazy man. They both just do same thing over and over without thinking.

And if situation changes, they don’t adapt. It’s retail mindset.

I really want to hear this counter. Any time I’ve heard people clamoring about how alliance can easily counter it always ends up being the stupid “just take SF before IB!” or “just ignore IB and go to FWGY/RH!”.

Tell me some new counter please because we’ve tried these other ones countless times and they don’t work.

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OMG people! Here:

Who knew that MATH and DISTANCE and TIME would be so elusive to so many people???

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Who knew time and distance were such elusive concepts??

There is no counter, hope horde don’t play D or hope you get RNG’d into a vastly better team are not counters.

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Unfortunately you are taking on ignorance it’s self a lot of these horde players are unable to think criticality.

Nostalrius didn’t use 1.12 AV.

Big.
Oof.

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Yeah, you’re upset.

Just look at the complaints by Alliance of AFKers, leechers, bots, fishers, people holding druids for rep turn-ins, etc.

But, yeah, I guess it HAS to be the map that is causing all of that.

:cactus:

Good lord what are you harping on about?
If you post on a public discussion forum then you should have a point. If not you are a clown clear as day.