Horde should retake the Red Dragonflight and turn them against the alliance

The High Elves have never actively hunted down the trolls.

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Right, because they didn’t have poles with their heads attached to them as a warning to other elves roaming the lands of quel’thalas.

(Hint they did, it’s in the new Sylvanas book)

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That is verifiably false, There were Horde fans who hated the intro and the burning of teldrassil. Remember pauldrons off for Saurfang? Also, while it seemed like the war to end all wars, Only the most deluded fans thought that only one faction would win once and for all. Most people knew from the start how it would end, with the status quo restored.

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We’re Trolls. Stone age cave men who have the right to kill anyone, because, uh, we were there before Titan races, although we live on a baby Titan. Kinda. Sorta.

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Nope, not impossible. The territory that the humans controlled was theirs, it did not belong to the Amani tribe, and the humans were not at war with the Amani tribe until the Amani encroached on their borders. That’s canon lore as per the Chronicle. I recommend you read it.

Likewise with the Elves. They settled in an unsettled area of forest unaware that the Amani considered that forest to be sacred. The Amani attacked them first. This is also written in the Chronicle, aka, it’s official lore.

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Do you have a quote from the Sylvanas book for this?

I have the book. Just need to go dig it out when I’m done with a event in game.

Trollbane gained his family name for the amount of troll blood he spilled during conflicts with them. There’s no written lore that he gained it through any means that would be considered dishonorable.

In early human culture family names were granted by deeds taken or what profession you had (which is why Fletcher and Smith were common names, because people with the name Fletcher and Smith back then were Fletchers and Blacksmiths). So if you were a soldier and killed a lot of undead, you’d get the name ‘Rotslayer’ or something similar to that. It does not mean you went on a killing spree and murdered innocents, it just means you killed a lot of a particular group and the Amani had a LOT of soldiers.

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Did not expect this thread to turn into “It is/isn’t okay to kill refugees”

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::He would look at night elves in Ashenvale.::
::He would look at the Warsong Clan.::
https://tenor.com/view/smirk-gif-20373672

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I like the grey morality that the issue causes and for people to effectively put it into absolutist terms results in the originality being lost. The Elves themselves had already settled in with groups of Humans whom were friendly, and they had already existed within Amani territory without much action by and to the existing Troll Empire until Dath’remar Sunstrider decided to take his people further into Amani territory for the sake of following leylines.

I think purposefully every race within World of Warcraft is justified both in terms of ensuring that their civilization and people aren’t subsumed and killed off, and that their territory isn’t invaded by people they don’t originally want there.

For the Elves it was an existential threat. For the Trolls it was a continuous incursion on their borders, punching deeper and deeper into their territory and civilization where likely non-combatants and loved ones resided.

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Really? You didn’t expect the "Horde should go back to ‘bad touching’ Alexztraza thread to eventually rehash the Amani argument?

Amani were the aggressors, btw.

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I’d be more sympathetic towards the Warsong Orcs, if they didn’t outright mistreat the forest after entering it with a warband consisting of grown warriors, who’d end up killing everything including the Demigod of the Nightelves in just a couple of days. The High Elves just commited the crime of trespassing, went to the north while defending themselves, founded Silvermoon, and then they just sat there for thousands of years till the Troll wars happened. Also, no babies and defenseless women in the Orcish army.

Every culture on Azeroth (sans Nelves) harvests lumber like orcs do.
Lumberjack, axe, wood.

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Chronicles describes how utterly, exceptionally cruel the Orcs were to life itself. The Ashenvale campaign is just a series of escalations happening in a couple of days. They went from axes to Goblin shredders to felling Trees of Ancients to killing a god, all just to supply the mother colony in Durotar, which didn’t even have that many Orcs yet. Those weren’t just refugees who wanted safe passage to the north. This behaviour actually depicts colonialism.

Which book
Which page?

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It describes the Kaldorei freaking out and firing arrows because they considered the orcs AND humans to be desecrating ashenvale

I guess fire first and don’t ask questions is fine for some people though

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My stance is that attacking without sending diplomats first was wrong. However, the Warsong Orcs ended up behaving in such a way that doesn’t make me feel sympathy for them.

The warsong were under attack from both the scourge/legion and the kaldorei. Plus the warsong were always known to be a hotheaded clan, who struck first and dealt with the aftermath later.

It’s a byproduct of living on draenor. I can understand WHY they act the way they do. But that’s me :dracthyr_nod:

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Pls post on your alliance avatar. It is quite clear you are not a Horde player.