Erevien voice
“All Trolls should be forcefully resettled to Zuldazar, since that’s where they originally came from. The world is a titan world soul, so everything belongs to the Titan races no matter what.”
The Amani Empire is gone, the Amani Tribe is leaderless, the other forest troll tribes fair no better. Only the Revantusk Tribe remains in a state of strength, despite their small numbers.
The chances of the Amani Empire rising again is non-existent.
Trolls are afraid of magic.
Micah: Trolls steamrolled the Old gods minions, who wield void magic
Gun: I don’t like it, so it’s irrelevant
You do you boo.
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I’m referring to the assertion that the High elves used the Troll magic against them. This can’t be right, given that they never used loa magic to enchant their weapons, including the famous Felo’melorn. The lore from the description of a Vanilla ZG raid token donesn’t make sense.
Here we go again with the wet alliance powerfantasy written by a Tauren. You should be ashamed of yourself.
You misspelled “Titan”
She lost interest in them and told her nelves to keep conquering the world while she delved the well of eternity’s secrets.
Unrelated, but re Carhagen denying genocide because Blizzard didn’t write the names of cities that no longer exist:
It’s funny how arguments evolve. Now she’s saying Trolls deserved to be genocided and “got what they deserved” as a race for the crimes of the few.
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It’s irrelevant what Azshara wanted when she made a pact with Satheras, because the Highborne lead by Dath’Remar rebelled against her. Before the pact with the Burning Legion, Azshara evidently didn’t plan to kill all Trolls. Also, I once again get the impression that you don’t read your opponents arguments, because your misrepresenting what Carhagen said.
She hadn’t made the pact with Sargeras when she enslaved the Zandalari as her troll control forces. That came later. Furthermore, as I’ve posted time and again,
https://i.imgur.com/WslNdjZ.jpg
That’s a weird way to twist what’s written in chronicles.
It’s exactly what happened.
“You will police all of Troll kind for me, or you will die.”
Best description.
If the Amani inherently attacked everyone they originally saw then there’s belief that the Humans would be inherently wiped out before Strom had the chance to form. Their leader were afraid of an engagement against the entirety of the Troll Empire and it was only after cajoling magic did they agree to a two-front war. For millennia their borders seemingly hadn’t increased or decreased so it could be imagined that such attacks were centered around their border to whatever traveller/party in an effort to get them to stay away.
Similarly the war between the Wildhammer and the Vilebranch/Amani only started when the Orcs being led by Zul’Jin were attacked and thus attacked back when they had to go through Wildhammer land. Does this make the Wildhammer inherently bad because their first process was to engage with hostile intent to armed invaders who came en masse?
(to the thread, not to you Lahil!)
Personally the idea of transposing one’s own morality onto World of Warcraft results in a game where things will result in someone being perpetually outraged and a milquetoast universe. Especially when it is inhabited by such races that contain their own moral and ethical code as individuals and cultures. To most it would seem barbaric that the Amani attacked without thinking, but to the Amani there was an army on their doorstep – in numbers – and they reacted the only way they felt was correct.
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Eh, it’s kind of one of the big things that keeps me invested in a story is finding characters I can relate with morally. I also view morality as a more objective thing rather than how the individual looks at it.
For instance when Anakin said “in my point of view the Jedi are evil” I was like bro you seriously just got done killing younglings sit down lol.
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Lmao. No wonder humans are the most played race. It has fanatic defenders in the forums where their fanboys justify genocide against literally the entrie troll race. That is why I will never play as alliance. That faction is rotten to the core.
I think the issue with comparing Star Wars to World of Warcraft is that the majority of Star Wars operates on a “Good Versus Evil” mentality, the purist Jedi and the corruptive Sith. With World of Warcraft the issue when a multitude of races are lumped under an all-encompassing morality that each agrees and upholds then that irreversibly changes their culture.
The Orcs view dying without battle as dishonourable. Both Saurfang, before he viewed himself as dishonourable for assisting Sylvanas, was attempting to 1 versus the entirety of the invading Alliance at Undercity. If we are to negate such things then that removes an aspect that’s interesting because of how different it is.
The Forsaken are largely viewed as monsters by every other race and are willing to do anything and everything to survive as a people. The Trolls (usually) view the idea of promises and pacts tantamount to themselves as individuals, and usually never walk back upon them.
Morality is good objectively when it’s based within the real world. But when it’s transposed into a fantasy world you also snip out a lot of the ambiguity that allows for such stories you relate to to form and grow.
I’m not sure why this would be considered an issue, Star Wars has way more races than World of Warcraft.
Fictional writing without morality hooks and World structure that the audience can relate to get kind of dull.
Not to say you cannot have good media without it, for instance I love playing Team Fortress 2 that’s a game that deals pretty much in zero with any kind of morality
Star Wars has many more races than World of Warcraft but the morality that usually plays into the storyline is more built around the Force and its concepts with races acting as auxiliary.
World of Warcraft started out with its focus on races which continues to present-day. And most of the morality is built around and intrinsic to the races written. With storylines being given to both individuals who adhere, or diverge from their usual zeitgeist.
I am not saying that WoW should be without morality hooks. I am saying that to preclude World of Warcraft’s morality themes and transition to where the parables are largely similar to Star Wars’ way of storytelling would largely negate and make defunct a lot of what makes races unique.
I like the force sensitive classes the most in Swtor. Wielding a lightsaber is just super cool.
shurgs i dono, i always liked looking at it that way. If i didnt/couldn’t i would have left WoW long ago.
I will admit it does make it hard with world of warcraft’s writing, but it’s really the only way I can get immersed in a world.