Horde should retake the Red Dragonflight and turn them against the alliance

No they were not. Elves and humans were invading colonizers. They deserved to be killed.

The alliance apologism is strong today. Typical white people behavior. Blaming native coded race for defending their territory.

Flimsy at best, and non existent at worst, given you’re dancing around giving me a source to read and post screenshots of.

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My stance that “attacking without sending diplomats first is wrong” is flimsy at best, and non-existent at worst?

Ok then.

Yes they were the aggressors.

This is confirmed in WoW Chronicle Volume 1.

The humans had their territory in what is now Arathi, Hillsbrad, Gilneas and Alterac. The Elves had settled in the northern portion of what is now Eversong Woods.

The Amani encroached on the borders of the human lands, attacking their lands. At the same time they were assaulting the Elves because they had settled in a forest that the Amani considered to be sacred. The humans, knowing that if the Elves fell to the Amani that their lives would become far worse, agreed to help the Elves against the Amani aggressors, but only if 100 humans were trained to use magic. The Elves agreed, trained the human mages, and then when the Amani assembled a massive army at the foot of Alterac to attack the humans, the elves and the humans defended their lands and wiped out the Amani army.

That’s the lore as per the Chronicle. You may not like it, but it’s not contestable.

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Only one problem with this, they were. Amani pretty much attacked anyone they saw.

The amount of people seemingly okay with foreigners building their capital on a natives sacred territory is kind of sad. :dracthyr_heart: :dracthyr_nod:

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This is hilarious, given that orcs didn’t know night elves existed at all, but night elves were fully aware of them and were having fun tormenting/torturing/killing them without giving them any warning as to what lands they had entered, or chance to peacefully extricate themselves.

You’ve effectively told on yourself, because you argued in favor of orcs thinking you were arguing in favor of nelves.
:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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I have the suspicion you don’t even read my posts and instead prefer to argue with a predefined strawman.

They weren’t exactly on speaking terms with the Trolls.

It’s not like the Trolls approached them, said “Please don’t build there, this land is sacred.” and the Elves ignored them and built there anyway. They had no idea the forest was sacred to the Trolls and they never found out.

As far as the Elves were concerned, they were being attacked completely unprovoked. Even still, they weren’t willing to engage in an aggressive war with the Trolls. They scared them off with their own magic and then let the Trolls do their own thing for 4000 years before the Trolls started the conflict again.

Trolls attack us as soon as we enter their territory? What are we going to do? Oh, that’s right, we’ll just keep moving deeper and deeper into their territory, further antagonizing the Amani further, until we arrogantly decide to build a city of decadence in the heart of Amani territory

As far as I’m concerned, there is no justification for what the High Elves did.

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I still think that’s Troll propaganda, because evidently the Highborne were superior casters ever since they established the Kaldorei Empire.

The Trolls single handily destroyed the Qiraji empire. They weren’t afraid of magic. They were ones who developed the practice of enchanting weapons and armor with their loas magic after all.

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Never thought i would see a Horde avatar into alliance empire power fantasy. We live in sad times.

The High Elves also didn’t have a nice handy map showing what territory the Trolls controlled and what they didn’t.

You’re looking at this through the lenses of the Chronicle, which lets you know all this information. Such as what territory belonged to the Amani, and what territory the Amani considered sacred. The Elves did not have this information. As far as they were concerned they were attacked, completely unprovoked.

It’s not that hard to understand.

When people try to compare what the High Elves did to real life events, such as what happened to the Native American Indians, the big difference there is that the Native American Indians were on speaking terms with the British and the Americans. They had treaties signed saying ‘This land is ours’ and when American settlers encroached on land that was sacred, the Native Americans could and did reach out and say “This land is sacred, you cannot disturb it.” and the American Settlers ignored them and did it anyway.

The High Elves came from the privilege of conquering the world to take complete ownership of it, forcing trolls to kill eachother under threat of Azshara’s vengeance if they did not. They didn’t care what land trolls owned, because they didn’t see trolls as people.

https://i.imgur.com/Sga4l8B.jpg

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I’m sorry, not amount of justification will take away from what the High Elves did. They will always be ones at fault here. Not the natives.

Irrelevant to the validity of my argument, since they also got steamrolled by Highborne sorcerers. Felo’melorn is an enchanted blade forged during the kaldorei Empire that evidently didn’t need loa magic.

You have a Blood elf avatar

Azshara was so cruel and xenophobic that she… didn’t even conquer them completely and signed a piece treaty she respected for thousands of years.

We’re going to disagree.

The High Elves were attacked, unprovoked, and they defended themselves. This is the lore that Blizzard established. You can choose not to like it, but that is what has been established.

Had the Amani tried to communicate first, had they told the Elves: “This land is sacred, don’t build your city there.” then that would be different, at that point the High Elves would have been knowingly provoking them.

But there’s no lore evidence supporting the idea that they did that. They acted in a savage nature and attacked the Elves unprovoked.

The Amani Empire will rise again. And the humans will be beaten back to Northrend.