That’s fair but he has become more pro-Horde since then. It’s a pretty gross inconsistency in his character, but in this case I think the more recent version was for the better. The Baine you describe would have told Sylvanas to get bent rather than support her in either the War of Thorns or the attack on Lordaeron. He was there fighting against Alliance during Lordaeron at least.
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The one I described cut off a piece of his horn to mail it in a love letter to his Alliance master.
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I agree with most of this except your answer to the Forsaken leadership.
Don’t want Sylvanas back. Don’t want Calia at all. I just want a Forsaken leader that embodies the Forsaken spirit and their lifestyle, someone who has experienced their past trials and tribulations and someone who wants what’s best for their people. I’ve seen some ask what does being a Forsaken even mean exactly? This is what i believe it is to be Forsaken.
A Forsaken that has experienced the woes of being an abomination in the world of the living that doesn’t want them, exiled along with many others, forced to “live” in hiding underneath the ruins of what was once their great capital of a great kingdom or face inevitable execution. Despite all this, pushing forward every day to forge a new destiny for themselves, developing a new culture, a new language, a new outlook on purpose and existence and coming to terms with their new “lives”. Some may see it as a curse, others a second chance, but all know they are all in this together and stronger with each other. The Forsaken will not be denied their place in the world and their unbreakable will to fight for that will prove it.
For in the grim dark future there is only…
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All Blizzard needs to do for Forsaken leadership is build up one of the High Executors and give them the leader hat. That’s literally the original chain of command and succession the Forsaken had when it came to how things were organized.
But Blizz has apparently forgotten this…
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Agreed, but like you said Blizzard needs to build them up. Unfortunately building up characters lately seems to come at the expense of another.
I don’t think its even that hard. Forsaken haven’t had their heritage questline which could easily accomplish everything needed for the forsaken going forward. A return to Undercity, (assuming that happens) re-aquaintance with several prominent forsaken characters, a bit of forsaken fun thrown in during the process, salute the Grand Executor.
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I’m glad that the BfA Baine is at least a little more pro-Horde than this.
He did it in Before the Storm.
And then took part in smashing Alliance soldiers in Lordaeron?
…is this an example of book authors and story devs not taking the time to get their ducks in a row or is Baine just an odd bull?
A good chunk of it is that Baine is most frequently used as a device to drive the plot and not a character in his own right.
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It’s Christie Golden.
You are talking as if Garrosh ordered the broken raiders to do that. Which is beyond 100% false. You are either ignorant of the events in nagrand or just trolling. I am leaning towards the latter at the moment.
Gross.
But I’ll take his actions in game over his actions presented in books any day of the week, and in game he stood in opposition to Anduin at Lordaeron on behalf of the Horde. I don’t begrudge him being friendly with Anduin but he should remain Horde first.
Also I applaud him turning Derek Proudmoore back over to Jaina seeing as Sylvanas’s plans would have fed more souls to the Maw and Baine’s actions turned Jaina back into a peace cheerleader.
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Anduin had to multibox that time so he could get that exclusive undercity mount.
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Not a single person on Earth, Azeroth, Draenor, or Mars ever wanted Sylvanas to be Warchief.
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I’m sorry but what “Alliance Character” are you referring to? Because I never mentioned any Alliance character.
Hawkspear is Neutral with Alliance, and certainly not “allies” with him, and only primarily because the Horde Literally raided his village and slaughtered his people.
Doesn’t mean Silvermoon isn’t still his home. He has as much a right to lead his people if his people wanted to follow him. Lorewise, anyway.
Doesn’t mean this need to have any effect on the game.
In my defense, I only read the story after first having someone give me a summery of it and that was the impression they presented to me. That and I don’t always get subtext, at least in written form.
Well, he’s not a “rando nobody.” He WAS the leader of that particular group of High Elves who Lor’themar himself recognized as such, enough to value his group in seeking to rejoin with the Blood Elves following the reclaiming of the Sunwell.
You keep using that word as an insult but you’re just revealing your own ignorance in doing so.
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He was exiled because of he refused to go along with the choices Lor’themar made. That pretty much makes him pretty anti horde even before you count what happened with Nathanos.
Let the Horde have it’s stuff. It doesn’t need more destabilization. It is almost comical that it is holding together as it is. You want drama? Have it happen with the Alliance for a change and bloody well leave us alone. I already find it annoying enough that we have to put up with Alleria and Vareesa’s self righteous crap.
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Actually, it was the Choices Kael made, not Lor’themar. Lor’themar only exiled the High Elves because he was afraid of trying to govern over a divided people, which actually is mark of cowardice on his part.
Hawkspear had no opinion on the (new) Horde prior to them attacking him. The Blood Elves weren’t aligned with the Horde when he was Exiled.
Actually, The Alliance already went through that in Classic but even so, I’m not opposed to it being faced with it again. I have proposed before that Turalyon should be put into conflict with Anduin over the direction of the Alliance, in addition to the resurgence of the House of Nobles to start putting pressure on Anduin for the same.
No one wanted Sylvanas. We wanted and still want Garrosh
The elves are doing fine without the alliance and human overlords. That’s the only facts that matters. The horde is our future. End of story.