…we literally saw this in-game.
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Counter-Point: Restructuring the Horde is easy because “a whole lot of people, who would usually be at a ‘mid’ point of life died in the Fourth War. Like a catastrophic amount.”
Massive losses of life make room for a younger generation or surviving groups to take control of the system at hand. After the Fourth War, even the most bloodthirsty war hawks would be tired of war.
Doing away with the Warchief ((who has been historically displayed as not having the people’s interests/well-being in mind)) is a logical conclusion.
They (the Horde) have also been taking Ls since MoP. It’s clear the Warchier situation isn’t working out for them, so trying a new leadership structure makes sense.
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Basic campfire for Leader of the Alliance
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the system isn’t the problem the writers are. Othewise there would be no monarchy.
Accurate. 
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Lol I like how they say the people of the Horde rejoiced at the creation of the council.
Blizz wants so much to convince us of this being a good thing. No matter what it’s ruined the feeling of being Horde and faction fantasy. They need to stop.
Make them advisors, sure, but go back to there being a Warchief. Just stop making sociopaths Warchiefs.
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You seem to not like any Horde characters, which is curious. All leaders weren’t leaders until they were made into one. Thrall was a slave.
Warchief is a military position. Right there in the name. By definition its status as head of state/government for the Horde makes it a military regime. This was a problem from day 1.
The Horde was meant to have banded together for mutual survival after the Alliance left them out to dry (justifiably in the case of the orcs). It wasn’t meant to be a force intended to take over the world, until Garrosh took it in that direction.
Warchief is an orc title and shouldn’t have been used to represent the entire Horde to begin with. And the writers did something similarly stupid with the Alliance - it’s meant to be an Alliance of equals, and this “King of Stormwind = King of the Alliance” thing was a mistake.
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It is not. Because the lead to war does not have to be against the Alliance, nor does it have to result in something severe as Teldrassil.
It is still a war game. They have not renamed it.
It being originally something doesn’t mean it can’t evolve. For instance if Vol’jin was given a chance, he’d have made a great Warchief.
Warchief leads us to war. And we are going to war against the void. We should have our Warchief title back and make the council their advisors.
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Definitely agree on Vol’jin.
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Everyone from the horde needs to be drop kicked from the top ropes through the portal to old Draenor.
Remember Theramore!! Horde scum.
<3 Love you
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Never really thought WoW was the game to go to for political intrigue.
I just wanna fight.
People get more invested in the politics of this game than they do in real life.
They also form weird cults around objectively awful leaders like Sylvanas and Garrosh… just like in real life.
Not for good writers.
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After MoP Lorthemar should have taken charge. After legion start he should have taken charge. After BFA he should have taken charge. He was a really well developed leader and probably would have made a council type system or a republic type system like the romans had with a warchief in times of dire need and a prime minister to set the order of government business and furnish the agenda.
All of our leaders in WoW are dictators. There is no form of sustainable government in this game. Yes its the era of kings but its also set in a universe that has had space travel, time travel, and “immortal” beings for hundreds of thousands of years. Also with the hundreds of beings on the planet that are really old, they never seem to know anything about anything until the plot has them remeber that really bad thing that should have been forgotten long ago. It would be nice if the writers could create a unified history that has a timeline with smaller events along with the major ones that fills in the literal endless void of plot holes. Where is the zandalari library? We found the mogu library but it was missing the dragon stuff, the anubisath stuff, the cosmic stuff, the stuff about the keepers. Surely the mogu would have communicated with the other races. The zandalari story pre cata was pretty cool with their observers all over the place.
Also i really hope this new “human empire thats really old and sofisticated” doesnt end in a civil war where we smoke the old guard that turned evil. It would be cool to see a mature kingdom thats not evil interact with our two factions.
Allergy induced rant over!
we have two Council one is Horde one and now Council of Forsaken
This not Federacy this is bureaucracy
I hate bureaucracy! It what I fought in Outer world!!!
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Realistically it would work like this in the real world. You have sub factions which were already being given representation in the Horde, now, the position of Warchief is being dissolved and that positions power is being distributed to the sub factions… What group of people wouldn’t just sign on to having more power and authority in the real world?
Also take into account that Thrall, who is easily one of the most important characters in World of Warcraft history and a hero of the Horde, just gave away his power in a George Washington-esque moment. So the amount of respect and trust the other leaders have for Thrall can’t be overstated.
So you want another warchief to go bad in a few expansions and the cycle repeats?
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No I want Blizzard to learn how to write good stories.
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