LOL when horde didn’t lose for like 6 months after the premades were denied their easy wins.
Man, we laughed.
I think you are the new one here boo.
No, ally players are handicaped (see the midgets and the micro midgets) so they think they’re entitled to exploit.
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This is literally the same thing as the paladin waterfall pull that was never addressed just much easier to counter.
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Ikr? I love how hes like “cry more” when his post is just one big tantrum. LUL
Gize, pvp is srs bizness!
Because we have instant - near instant queues durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr man alliance really are dumb. Not you just saying rofl…
I wasn’t aware there were now HvH AVs. Good job getting near instant queues against Alliance.
The reason your queues were so long in Classic was because Alliance stopped queuing. Alliance stopped queuing because Horde turtled SHGY.
You haven’t given up turtling because of your fast queue times - you’ve given up turtling because your scorched earth is no longer viable.
Alliance gave up trying to rush (finally) after it became apparent Horde would rather clash. So Allaince adjusted (finally) and fought at IBGY winning more games than not.
Horde don’t turtle anymore because the map has changed and it’s no longer an advantage.
IB GY choke remains the strongest bottleneck in the game. Last time I went into AV(Wednesday) both sides are just zerging pve. 5 minute games. Idk how people come up with these fantasies.
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First and foremost, alliance are winning a majority of the matches anyway, if we even assume what you say is happening on the horde side every game…it is obviously not good enough.
So are you mad that you are losing 1/4 of your matches? If even that much?
Also, from having always played horde since the beginning, your post smells of hypocrisy since I recall the famous “paladin bubble” pulls in phase 2 that were so disgusting. Even blizzard stepped in on that one. Then there was the full AV premades alliance was doing, and even blizzard stepped in on that one. Even your own faction was pissed at ‘you’.
So whether or not wall jumping is wrong or right, lets not get too crazy here Mr. 75% win rate in AV. Because it’s alot like the pot calling the kettle black.
By the way, now that alliance is winning 3/4 or more of AV, should we move the horde cave back to its vanilla position? Oh but the cave was the reason you were losing then right?
Yes I’m mocking your faction a little bit. Or a lot.
Holy crap you have 2728 posts…unrelated but that’s insane.
Uh…but no, Alliance rush every AV. I don’t know what you are referring to. If horde choose to choke at IBGY…the game goes horde way or it goes Alliance eventually but its not the pve zerg that we usually see.
Horde don’t turtle anymore because that’s exactly what happened in retail the first time around. It’s a little easier to just go zerg. It’s not fun, but I don’t think anyone does AV for fun anymore.
The cave location doesnt matter…we reach IB chokepoint before you…that’s all that matters. Then we can push alliance back to their chokepoint advantage…not really a chokepoint, but having SHGY and rezzing and holding us there for a while. in the end alliance usually fold. But these types of games havent happened in a while. It was a vanilla thing.
months upon months of alliance posts during vanilla about the cave location. But it doesn’t even matter about the cave. That is just a crutch. The real problem is alliance just wouldn’t clash. Not all of you. so eventually you lost. And it created a loser mentality. You know this is true. This does not mean an alliance player is lesser skilled…so you don’t get all defensive. It means your faction as a whole…would…just quit.
A difference, maybe emboldened by the fallacy of the cave location change?, is that now you guys fight. Sure you tend to rush/zerg…but so do we. But when i end up fighting a big group of alliance…dear lord…its a million druids, warriors and priests. I swear those are the only classes your faction plays in pvp.
anyway…your attitude and premise are wrong. that’s the TLDR
I’m referring to the beginning of TBC when Alliance tried to rush and Horde cut them off. Alliance finally stopped doing this pretty much when AV discord took over.
Since a few months into TBC, I haven’t played a single AV in TBC when the Alliance fought and didn’t win. YMMV. Alliance turned the scorched earth tables and Horde flooded the forums whining about “premades,” even when Alliance weren’t using discord. It was pathetic.
Of course you do. And Alliance held IBGY until it capped and from there it was a steady push to Drek.
Turns out it wasn’t.
Alliance were determined to rush in TBC, Horde weren’t. Alliance developed strats and began clashing. Alliance turned to their own scorched earth and began winning every single game. Horde threw a fit about discord (even when no discord was being used). You can read all the conversations right here on the forums. Horde were told if they had rushed none of this would have happened. Turns out that’s all Alliance wanted to do. So Horde conceded and this is what you have.
If Horde decide to clash as their go to strat then you’ll see this cycle all over again.
I’ve played more AV than I have posts. I’ve played every itineration of the map and every strat. I know exactly what I’m talking about.
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Whatever you say Ms level 10 warlock that doesn’t have a clue. I’ve only been in AV since it was literally created.
Tantrum? Everything I stated is fact and has been discussed throughout WOWs existence. Feel free to search the forums as far back as you can go and you will find the info for yourself. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
Having done 3x HWL runs during Classic, I can assure you that you are wrong, but keep trying to win the “battle” with nonsense.
The cave was your best graveyard in classic not sure why you’re trying to deny that.
Av has historically always favored 1 faction.
Was more that the cave should of been the last place you rez once you have no other graveyards. Just like it is now.
The reason the cave was moved back is because you guys would get Balinda for free If it wasn’t, caves are now exactly equal.
Unless you’re saying horde can’t win when things are actually equal.
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If you think this is my highest level character you are beyond help.
Yes it was a tantrum. Keep going please. 
It isn’t exactly an exploit, no more than mages using the fountain in SM, using the totem pole in Mara, the walls in Zul’Farrak, or druids using the wall jumps in WSG were an exploit.
These things have been in clear sight since the start of Classic, yet Blizzard made no attempt to either fix the pathing or to punish the players utilizing them, so we can only assume that Blizzard doesn’t consider it an exploit.
I know full well what it is you speak of in Alterac Valley, and I’ve used that wall myself to kite Vann.
I will give you this, it shouldn’t exist, and I’d like to see Blizzard fix that, as well as the other pathing issues that exist in Classic.
It’s only an exploit when Blizzard says it’s an exploit or fixes it.
And you have fun with your Horde v Horde AV’s.
