ret was always a brainless spec tho…since the days of the 6969 rotation days, not saying as a bad thing, i actually prefer having control of my hp gen than this….thing that blizz sometimes try to push replacing activities abilities with passive abilities as resource generator. Looking at you devastator and demon blades
They play the same.
Pointless hyperbole.
i mean the point is again
nex gen xbox is legit goint to be a windows computer with a xbox logo on it, theres already patents floating around
Wow another player here that actually knows about these cases and how they ended up. I thought I was insane whenever I brought up prot warr and havoc when people defended crusading strikes. Oh well its gone now thank god
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devastator and demonblades are fine tho, because they reward resource on every auto while csaa every 2 autos.
idk if anyone remembers, but i was the first to pointout how dumb it is to have autos generator combopoint type resources and how it’ll lead to a swing timer back in the ptr thread. ultimately it played out exactly how i forseen, it ment nothing to solid players but it was hell on earth for lack luster players especially when TS fell out of favor in tww.
that being said, csaa was fine for what it was. despite needing a swing timer to min max, it didnt really require one to play but yet served as a good indicator basic gcd usage. to be csaa will always been that weird skill ceiling type thing that should really be a skill ceiling but forced into the role due to the quality of players that play ret
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Just referencing the title.
How is Ret is less braindead now, is it just because CSAA is gone? As far as my knowledge of Midnight DPS specs is, my understanding, they’re all fairly braindead due to pruning, combining DPS CD’s and Defensive CD’s.
ret is less brain dead in midnight because alot of passive hopo generation has been removed in favor of active hopo generation
also spenders were buffed alot
so if you end up overcapping hopo, your going to lose a fair bit of damage. also with the apex talent effecting boj, that means your going to have to weave in aow procs and spenders to make sure you dont overcap hopo OR boj procs.
also the return of 1min ret burst damageprofile, which people find difficult for some reason
its one of those things that is like. shouldnt be a skill ceiling but is.
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???
I thought Avenging Wrath in Midnight is a 2-min cd? 
humm no?
Didn’t see that myself.
Are you talking about the wowhead tooltip? Because it does say 2min.
It’s supposed to be Might with the option to get a nerfed crusade effect as a capstone but you stay at 1min.
And RG still available for 30sec wings.
Arahgon keeps saying the 1min build is good so I hope it holds until launch.
I really wish RG ends up being a gameplay choice.
Yeah.
Wait…So are you saying that Avenging Wrath with the Crusade capstone will give you 1-min cd? Or that the Wowhead tooltip is wrong and that Avenging Wrath alone is actually a 1-min cd?
The way its layed out sounds difficult but I surmise as long as everything is on CD and you’re not overcapping then you’re gonna parse decently. It’s basically Shadowlands but without Crusade and Seraphim, right?
This, tooltip is wrong, I’m pretty sure anyway.
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nah like every other time, wowhead talent calculator is bugged to say 2mins. its actually 1min cd
nah crusade its not nerfed. its still the same haste value, cept now your getting crit stuff with it too.
think of it like seraphim but without the extra free mastery
probs rg for keys. 1min for raid
depends. cause like having wings for every pack is good, but es did alot of heavy lifting at 30 seconds who knows
yes basically. if your good at ret to begin with then your fine. most people arnt that good at ret sadly.
If you got Ret problems then I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but playin’ Ret ain’t 1. 
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Development note:
Crusade now a passive talent that causes Avenging Wrath to grant 2% Haste, increasing by 2% per Holy Power spent during Avenging Wrath, up to 20%.
Current Crusade
Crusade grant 3% Haste and damage, increasing by 3% per Holy Power spent during Avenging Wrath, up to 30%
Fingers crossed.
my mistake
but again its not like this version of crusade is weak
tho now we have a new problem
EL only procs once per wing casts. so it sucks extra hard now
In the immortal words of Steve Rogers: “I understood that reference.”
Oh no no, it’s a… tuning because it’s on 1min instead of 2.
At least that’s what I think the rationale behind it is.
I have a hard time believing EL will stay.
It’s just so underwhelming and especially with a 1min wings.
I truly hope it’s a placeholder.
Hmmm. Question…
Does the new Midnight EL procs only ONCE when wings is activated or does it CONSTANTLY procs while wings is activated?
The tooltip on wowhead (grain of salt) says Avenging wrath empowers your NEXT single target spender…
So it’s the same as current but on a different trigger with no ICD because the trigger already has 30sec/1min CD.
Also if it was working as you suggest it could, it would be incredibly broken so I don’t have any reason to believe the tooltip, in this instance, isn’t accurate.
There’s also a context with AW where we had at some point many talents “modifying” it.
It was in the class tree initially and the spec tree would “embellish” it with more “power”.
So you had basic AW which was on a 2min CD with 20% damage.
Then a talent which would give it 20% crit.
But really they had just split the spell in different component to mimic the leveling perks we used to get.
I’m saying all this because, sometimes, when wowhead makes a referal to a spell, they end up referencing one of these previous iteration.
And that could even just be Blizzard using the same spell ID these had but they modified it in the build where as Wowhead didn’t in their databank.
Empyrean legacy being a standalone effect that was relatively untouched since its inception doesn’t have the same history where the tooltip could be mistaken.
It doesn’t mean it’s right but since the trigger was changed to AW, I don’t see why the rest wouldn’t be accurate in this case.