Wow man. Just wow. You are depressing as hell.
Holinka confirmed multiple things.
In Warlords of Draenor -
- People did 3âs as much as Heroic Raiding
- People did 2âs as much as Normal Raiding
- The number of people who did Battlegrounds was greater than LFR.
Not to mention there was also a poll less than a month ago on the forums - where Dragonflight PvP was more popular than everything apart from Mythic+.
Not a niche.
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A highly inaccurate poll that Blizzard has stated only 1% of the playerbase goes to the forums. Not to mention that it was put in the General Forums. People that frequent the Wrath General Discussion never even seen it, I never seen it so out of the forum visitors only a fraction actually seen the thing.
Warlords was also a failure of an expansion. It had 2 raid tiers and seen the largest fall off of subs which led Blizzard to not give sub numbers anymore. Of course more people are going to do arena than raiding when there wasnt much of a reason to do BRF since it gave the same ilvl as Highmaul.
M+ has also hurt raiding big time. Why raid when you can just do M+ for less headache than raiding and get the same ilvl.
The poll was not a good poll at all.
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If the expansion is overall bad - players are going to leave regardless. You can even go see the numbers that were posted for Mists of Pandaria which was one of the best expansions for PvP. Holinka even stated that the PvP team has recently grown significantly so regardless of how popular it is - labeling it as a ânicheâ - or that only 5% of the player base cares for it - is disingenuous.
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Lol, Blizzard says a lot of stuff that turns out to not be true. Holinka is a part of that system. âWe solved the many issues of working from home!â⌠then why be called back to the office unless there were isues?
I also dont understand how people can be leaving Blizzard so much yet a team is growing and not producing any positive results.
PvP is niche and its not disingenuous to say it.
PvP numbers are higher than raid numbers though if you look at world of logs vs check PvP or drustvar. Thatâs only rated as well, they donât look at random BGâs skirms epic BGâs
Which was why the poll came back as it did, though the sample size was rather small the independent websites do on the surface confirm that the only thing more popular than PvP is mythic plus. Keep in mind there wasnât a specific check for rated PvP, so it included all PvP casual or rated.
Skill Issue.
PvE andys mad that PvP is more popular than fighting brainless scripted npcs
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Do you know how hard it is to fight prescripted npcs? Especially with all those mods that counts down when the npc is going to attack and the addons even tell you to move aside to avoid taking damage. Sometimes i wonder why raiders even play the game when the addons do all the work for them?
Those are the people that look down on the PvP-community, calling it a minigame and still millions of players of that kind has left the game. Maybe itâs time for Blizz to focus less on PvE since all they do is leaving the game in huge numbers and instead focus on the PvP-community that still struggles.
Or they can actually focus on both communities??
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Not everyone logs so even that isnt an accurate comparison.
People are not usually talking about performance with frost, it is mostly a playstyle thing of how blizzard turned the consistent damage spec into ANOTHER burst damage spec.
DK has ZERO options for consistent damage among any of its builds. If you donât use cds on a dk of any type you will do less damage than a tank. You can sim this, this isnât a skill thing.
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right and there is no measure for random pvp. Iâm guessing more people pvp, by a wide margin than participate in raiding just based off the numbers. Epic bg qâs are something like 2 minutes which is insane fast.
By all means though, point me in a direction I could go and see that more people raid than do pvp.
Which is it, because you say that itâs a playstyle issue not performance then proceed to say performance is bad.
You trolling?
Please use reading comprehension, I said damage was bad OUT OF CDS, most people have the issue that the specs are over engineered and require cds to do ANY damage.
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I have reading comprehension, part of the problem is people that are game illiterate(such as yourself) donât understand when youâre describing a performance issue and a playstyle issue.
What you just described is a performance issue, not a playstyle issue. BOS frost needing to be on target 100% of the time during cds is a playstyle issue for some people. DK damage being trash outside cds is a numbers tuning issue.
Kindergarten class dismissed. Thanks for coming out.
See you clearly donât though because you are looking at what I said objectively wrong.
You said I am describing a playstyle issue as performance when I am not, you are the one making the mistake here.
I said that during cds you will do less damage than a tank. This is NOT a take on performance but WHERE and WHEN your damage comes. DK has average damage overall but ALMOST ALL of it comes during small windows in relation to the cds. If you go into a pack as frost dk and do not have pillar, you will do no damage. It is the same with breath, AND unholy.
This is not simple a âtuningâ issue because there are fundamental parts of the class that facilitate this, obliterate being tied to your AOE AND single target AND having a damage increase from mastery AND armor pen ONLY during killing machine (which basically will mean most during pillar) means that nothing else CAN do damage or it will be OP. It is the same thing for breath. The two main damage sources for each capstone is WAY too dominant. This is more fine for breath because an upkeep type spell is something you sign up for but for obliteration this is a big issue because oblit causes everything else to be insignificant compared to it during pillar, even itself out of pillar.
People have issues with this because it FEELS bad when your damage delta is this large in and out of cds, this is even worse in PVP when it is SO easy to disrupt damage. You can see old ret paladin as a great example of this.
Almost all other melee can just blast without cds and blast even HARDER with them. Only dk has this massive delta in damage between cds and not.
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Really should make sure you read things right before being condescending, it is embarrassing.
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Raiding has been declining ever since M+ was introduced. Blizzard is never going to release anything accurate.
All anyone can do is bring up some anecdotal whatever. More people watch the world first race than anything other content. Everything is pretty niche outside of world content.
as if you pve nerds dont already get all of the attention you possibly need. ffs cry more you only have 95% of the dev teams attention. If your spec is âhaving a problemâ in pve, youâre probably just bad.
When you say stupid stuff like this it immediately invalidates any points youâre trying to make.
Classes/Specs should also be designed conceptually around PvE, with PvP modifiers/talents to supplement PvP design, otherwise you end up with a spec like Ret which gets gutted every expansion until it gets a massive rework.
Speaking of Ret, your posts also basically sum up to âI want to play Ret but DK themedâ, so try a Ret with some DK tier transmog pieces. Not a 1:1 but itâs very much what youâre looking for.
Kind of a weird point to make when the issue frost faces plagues both game modes. Should really be working together on this, and I say this as someone who does both.
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