I’d like them to take a look at the expansions when Holy Paladins were thriving. To me that era was Cata, MoP, and WoD. That’s when we really started to get into Holy Power and healing with it and around it. Many of our abilities and former talents could be brought back to expand our toolkit and enhance it.
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Denounce 
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As a new healer, I actually really enjoy Holy Paladin on retail right now.
I think I still struggle a bit when I’m forced out of range of the boss (and can’t generate holy power to heal), and also I wish the AOE cone heal was more reliable… maybe just a general AOE or something.
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Totally agree. Hpal is fun enough when the conditions are met, but is that how a class should play? I don’t know…
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If it wasnt forced into just that one playstyle it would be quite a bit better. Just changing our mastery back to what it was before would easily remedy that issue.
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It’s amazing how many people have fallen into the “If my class/spec isn’t meta it sucks” trope. The incessant whining from people who don’t even play properly…
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I don’t see that being the case here at all.
The Dragonflight talents are far from even being decent for all three specializations. As a druid player I would figure you’d have some shared pain as druids were the first previewed but haven’t had much communication until the most recent interview.
We are voicing our concerns and feedback about the talents that are being shown off to us. We aren’t complaining that we aren’t meta or that we want to be the best class at everything. We just want to be viable and have our class at least be competitive.
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Go ahead and define viable and competitive… then try and tell me how hpal isn’t currently viable and competitive. I need a good laugh.
Every class and spec are viable in game. Some of them are competitive.
Hpal in raid will always be competitive as long as they are the only class bringing Devo+Aura Mastery.
For other end-game content it gets trickier and will depend on throughput,damage and gameplay.
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100% agree
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If that includes raiding, are we talking about the same spec?
Is this what balance looks like, druids doing around 40% more healing across the whole range? This is some of the most outrageous healer imbalance in recent history.
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I hope you’re being facetious. Some spec will always better than others, just so happens we fall into the bottom half this tier. If you are claiming Holy Paladin isn’t viable you’re crazy. Devo Aura and Aura Mastery alone secure us a spot and our throughput is more than good enough for any raid in the expansion.
Just because there’s an imbalance doesn’t mean Holy Paladin isn’t viable. Percentile rankings and viability are two very different things.
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But not 40 percent across the board.
We are in the broken segment, together with disc which they also completely destroyed. But at least priests can play holy instead without having to completely gear a new character.
A 20% damage reduction cooldown doesn’t justify doing 20-30% less healing than other healers. Passive devo can come from any paladin spec, not just holy.
Any arbitrary number of severely undertuned holy paladins could heal a raid, but less druids could do the same job.
Comes down to your interpretation of “viability”. If they are far outclassed by other healers, they are by definition not viable in my book, because then you might as well just run a healer less and take only top performers.
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Before you deleted your post, that rank 20 you mentioned is only your allstar ranking in fated SoD. It has nothing to do with other healers whatsoever. And these normal logs in general don’t say a lot about your healing, they say more about the other healers leaving stuff around to heal for you. You were 3healing a 23 man raid with one of the healers being a disc priest. Most pugs run 2/4/14 or something in that scale so the majority of all parses will have all healers unable to heal much because healing raids is a zero-sum game.
I figured it wasn’t worth the argument but, sorry 141. Point still stands.
You’ll do whatever mental gymnastics you can to try and validate your point. Paladin is a perfectly viable healer and you’ve done nothing to prove they aren’t
Sepulcher 4 Holy Paladins in top 20.
Sanctum 7 Holy Paladins in top 20.
Nathria 5 Holy Paladins in top 20.
Seems like decent representation to me.
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Again you don’t understand that top parses are not in any way comparable to average healer performance. These top parses are often heavily set up, with external cooldowns being given to the guy trying to rank. And if you let any healer heal on their own, they are going to blast some big numbers.
But if you put average healers together in a raid, paladins get the short end of the stick, by quite a big margin.
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Your point was that Holy isn’t viable but 3 healing the raid that included a Disc Priest somehow invalidates my healing? You’re not worth an argument because you’re being totally disingenuous. Name one piece of content Holy Paladin can’t do. I’ll save you the effort. You can’t.
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Well, you could be 1 or 2 healing it with only druids. By your definition you could just nerf holy paladins another 50% and bring twice as much of them. Perfectly viable to heal a raid.
The average Holy Paladin is doing the raids and succeeding. That’s the whole point of this argument. They’re represented and completing the raid with perfectly acceptable performance relative to healing and damage, meaning they’re viable. You can move the goalpost all you want. I’m still waiting for you to show me proof other than this waaah RDruids can heal for more than me.
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You’re not even trying now. You can do a lot of things, I remember when people did all tank raids or all hunter raids. I’m done wasting time on you.
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Well, that’s one way to prove you have no idea how to actually read logs and take away what they’re saying.