You can safely assume that anybody playing a healer is going to roll on anything that has intel and spirit on it. It’s just the way classic is, Blizzard didn’t put very much class type appropriate gear in for non-cloth healers.
This is something you will have to come to grips with. Believe me, us non-clothy healers don’t like it any more than you do.
I’ve already spoken directly to other paladins. They know the deal or else they are going to learn it soon enough.
If you’re looking for a mage-specific answer I’ll tailor one for you.
The vast majority of players have not and will not read this thread or any like it. They go into the game and they learn as they go.
To mages:
Rule #1 If you go into a pick up group and you sense a potential conflict over gear rolls, then open up the conversation and get some rules decided on before you start face melting things.
Rule #2 If you ignore rule #1 then yes, that holy pally who is keeping you alive might just roll need on a piece of cloth that will help them to keep your group alive while you face melt. I assume that’s why you brought them to begin with, and not as some kind of life size metallic ornament. The fact that you failed to talk about it beforehand does not negate the fact that they have a mana pool to feed and they probably aren’t just running dungeons as a public service. Paladins have the ability to utilize any type of gear that their class allows. Get mad or don’t. Either way you went into it knowing what was possible and if you make an assumption about something then your assumption could be shown to be wrong.
My pally was in cloth, mail, leather and eventually got A plate piece.
My shaman was in mostly leather.
My hunter was about 50/50 leather/mail.
You wore what had your stats.
I agree with OP.
Holy Paladins should make it clear beforehand that they’re going to roll on cloth items. This can really help avoiding issues mid-dungeon. If the others agree, great, if not time to look for another group.
There is no reason not to settle this matter prior to entering the dungeon. You 100% know clothies are most likely not going to roll with it.
But… why? There’s almost zero holy paladin loot until raids. I shouldn’t have to beg my group to let me roll on healing upgrades.
Beg?
No. You zone in and you tell them. My gloves are pathetic and there is a pair of cloth ones on XYZ boss and if they drop I’m going to roll need. Then everyone knows and if it’s going to be a problem you find out upfront whether the group needs a casting change.
If you’re surprised that an int user is rolling on int gear that’s on you
If I’m a pally/shaman/druid healer I am going to roll on the cloth int gear if it’s an upgrade for me and I don’t need to announce it ahead of time because you should simply expect that in classic. It does not belong to you. You are not entitled to it. I was there and helping as well.
If you complain the problem is with you not the healer. Unless you specifically invited them to the group with the understanding that they did not need a specific item and they needed it anyway, you have no reason to complain.
No.
Ten characters.
It seems a little ridiculous to me that I should have to ask for permission to roll on upgrades when there are zero for my armor type.
Not begging, just making things clear.
I get the issue with the lack of plate intellect, but Holy Paladins also need to understand that they have four types of armor available to roll for. The Paladin who rolls on a cloth chest, also has a number of leather and mail chests available to him. The cloth user does not have that luxury.
So I think we should all agree that the polite thing to do is to just talk beforehand. In what world you think it’s polite to run a dungeon with 2 cloth DPS and need on the only items they can wear without letting them know first?
The thing is that holy paladin don’t really “have” four sets of armor available to roll on because most int gear is cloth.
You shouldn’t need to ask permission to roll on upgrades. They rolled a class with limited armor options, but that’s on them. Not me.
I don’t differentiate between begging and asking permission in this context.
I’ve always felt weird about it, I usually just pass if clothies need the int gear since they get better use out of it than me since I don’t run that many lowbie dungeons anyway. Obviously once I hit high lv dungeons all bets are off and I’m rolling on any healing upgrades since that’s the only role I’ll be playing.
Do you guys roll on int gear and your str gear for leveling? Almost seems greedy to be rolling on healing and dps gear at the same time, that’s probably why I’ll see people looking for priest heals preferably, they know pally’s are loot hogs.
@OP your hunter analogy is flawed. The hunter is not wrong to roll on gear that is leather or cloth because it’s not his max armor type. He’s wrong to roll on it because those stats benefit him very little to none at all.
If the stats on the mail, leather or cloth have healing stats on it (Intellect, +healing, spell crit, mp5) that benefit the holy paladin and it’s upgrade compared to what they have, then they have just as much right to have it as any cloth wearer. The holy paladin pre raid bis is made up of mostly cloth, some leather and mail and little plate. This is because the healing stats on plate are lessened to compensate for the benefit of the armor, but considering that good holy paladins should take minimal damage and stand in the back with the casters the majority of the time the armor is not needed in pve content and the emphasis is put on the stats. They do not need your permission to roll on gear that benefits them and empowers them to do their job.
There is plenty of pre-raid Leather and Mail intellect gear for grabs.
If you’re rolling on leather or cloth as a pally- you’re the same as a hunter rolling on melee weapons.
There’s basically no good melee gear for a hunter that isn’t also good for a melee class- by this threads logic, hunters should roll on all melee gear.
So it sounds like you’re asking if it’s polite to roll on gear that suits the role you are playing in a specific instance and at the same time roll on gear for a different role that you are not performing for that specific instance.
Personally I would not do that. Just because you play a ret pally on TV does not mean that you should roll on ret gear while healing an instance. I would not do that unless I see other people rolling greed who I’d expect to roll need or passing. Or the thing I keep saying. Use /party and talk to them about it. This is especially the case if, as in this scenario, you are being greedy.
Actually as a hpal you use intellect. So it’s more like a hunter rolling on agility armor. Weapons have DPS and damage on them, which hunters do not use. So it’s not really a good comparison