I have been healing as a Holy Paladin since Molten Core in WoW Classic. For me, the Holy Paladin melee healing spec is no longer viable or even needed in BFA.
There are two primary reasons that Holy Paladin healing is no longer viable or needed in BFA:
- Without the buffs provided by the Legion Artifact weapon, the holy paladin melee healing concept is no longer viable in BFA. Melee healing is a niche concept at best and Holy Paladins frankly suck at melee with a 1 hander and a shield.
- Holy Paladins are no longer needed as tank healers in BFA. Tanks can provide their own emergency healing, removing the need for Holy Paladin burst healing and Beacon of Light.
To fix Holy Paladin healing restore it to what it was Pre-Legion or earlier and significantly reduce or remove all tank self-healing.
My healing character is now my Draenei Shaman.
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Have you run bigger keys or raids? Tank damage is still a thing.
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09/19/2018 12:57 PMPosted by
Bustò Have you run bigger keys or raids? Tank damage is still a thing.
Other healers can do that better, though.
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To fix Holy Paladin healing ... significantly reduce or remove all tank self-healing.
No. You don't fix a spec by breaking others.
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To fix Holy Paladin healing ... significantly reduce or remove all tank self-healing.
No. You don't fix a spec by breaking others.
Tanks are broken. Tank healing should never have been added to the game in the first place.
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09/19/2018 12:57 PMPosted by
Bustò Have you run bigger keys or raids? Tank damage is still a thing.
09/19/2018 01:08 PMPosted by
Liawynn 09/19/2018 12:57 PMPosted by
Bustò Have you run bigger keys or raids? Tank damage is still a thing.
Other healers can do that better, though.
My shaman healer heals tanks just fine. The Holy Paladin tank healer niche is no longer needed.
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09/19/2018 12:25 PMPosted by
Lesenka
My healing character is now my Draenei Shaman.
TLDR: I don't like where Holy paladin are, so I rerolled to a class that has it even worse.
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I mean, H Pally is still the most popular healer spec in mythic raiding, and Method ran two for their world first G'huun. It's not like we're being benched...
(Though I should note Priests are significantly ahead of everyone because they have two specs)
09/19/2018 12:25 PMPosted by
Lesenka
My healing character is now my Draenei Shaman.
TLDR: I don't like where Holy paladin are, so I rerolled to a class that has it even worse.
Do you play a 120 Shaman?
How would you know how well the Shaman class can heal?
The Restoration Shaman is vastly superior to the Paladin class when it comes to any kind of healing, single target, AE or HoT. Paladins have no AE heals (Light of Dawn does not qualify as an AE heal imho) and no HoTs. If you know someone who is struggling healing as a Shaman, tell them to get some better gear. Better gear wont help a Holy Paladin.
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09/19/2018 05:36 PMPosted by
Lesenka ...
TLDR: I don't like where Holy paladin are, so I rerolled to a class that has it even worse.
Do you play a 120 Shaman?
How would you know how well the Shaman class can heal?
The Restoration Shaman is vastly superior to the Paladin class when it comes to any kind of healing, single target, AE or HoT. Paladins have no AE heals (Light of Dawn does not qualify as an AE heal imho) and no HoTs. If you know someone who is struggling healing as a Shaman, tell them to get some better gear. Better gear wont help a Holy Paladin.
I don't need to play it to know it is in a terrible state. Their representation in arena, RBGs, raids, M+, etc. is all in the toilet. Rshaman currently are the worst performing healer in hps and only bring spirit totem.
Look at raiderio and look how few Rshams complete high keys. Look at raid logs or watch the world first videos from method to see how much Rsham was brought.
Look at arenamate and see Rshaman representation in RBGs and arena.
You literally are complaining about a class, that yes, isn't in a great spot. Rshaman though is in a worse spot and you think it is actually in a great spot. It really takes away credibility.
H paladin right now is really just missing a clean playstyle. It feels clunky to play, especially with the gcd added in and extremely slow casting of holy light. It is still very powerful in M+ and just needs a very minor buff in raid to make them feel better to play.
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09/19/2018 05:36 PMPosted by
Lesenka ...
TLDR: I don't like where Holy paladin are, so I rerolled to a class that has it even worse.
Do you play a 120 Shaman?
How would you know how well the Shaman class can heal?
The Restoration Shaman is vastly superior to the Paladin class when it comes to any kind of healing, single target, AE or HoT. Paladins have no AE heals (Light of Dawn does not qualify as an AE heal imho) and no HoTs. If you know someone who is struggling healing as a Shaman, tell them to get some better gear. Better gear wont help a Holy Paladin.
how would you know how well a paladin can heal?
Our resto got benched and is only called upon for certain fights. paladin has spot for every encounter.
if you see paladin struggling healing as paladin tell em to get better gear.
paladins have a constant cleave heal. and out of all the healers have the least problems with mana.
a 2 min cd which heals for a !@#$ ton for 20 sec.
a 3 min cd with a 20% reduction raid wide.
a constant 3% damage reduction if in range.
a bubble to cheese any mechanic in the game.
a bubble to cheese a few mechanics in the game for other people
a instant 1% to 100% health heal
a 30% damage reduction for the tank
a 10 sec cd spell that can crit for 40K if not more (which cleave heals for 30%)and empowers my next heal as well.
Idk I think we are fine.
yes we are not pure/the best aoe healers like all the other healers out there. but in mythic bosses still hurt. and your tickle heals won't cut it .
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Holy Paladin is fine as far as I'm concerned. If the spec needs anything it just needs to be mechanically more interesting.
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09/19/2018 06:43 PMPosted by
Rokhaal Holy Paladin is fine as far as I'm concerned. If the spec needs anything it just needs to be mechanically more interesting.
idk about all that we still feel a bit less than other healers imo but id agree with some more mechanics.
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I want to melee shock. They should keep the option open while improving the spec
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Resto Shaman here with halfway decent gear. Can confirm it's not great for us this raid tier. I am re-rolling a Dark Iron Dwarf Pally. lol
I'm killing it in raids, rated battlegrounds and m+. Hpals are excellent healers but the play style, talents and dynamics/interactions between spells needs some work, especially divine purpose in the last row and sac aura
Resto Shaman here with halfway decent gear. Can confirm it's not great for us this raid tier. I am re-rolling a Dark Iron Dwarf Pally. lol
I am the OP of this thread. This is my human paladin tank main. I do not heal on this paladin because holy paladin healing is a joke in BFA. Me and the holy paladin fanbois in this thread must be operating in alternate universes.
Every time I see a paladin healer, I cringe as a tank. In my experience as a tank in BFA and I have done a lot of tanking in BFA, holy paladin healers just cant keep up.
As a tank, I have found holy paladin healers to be so weak and so bad that I will not invite them to any mythic dungeon group or raid that I am leading. I would rather have an undergeared shaman healing me in a Mythic dungeon or raid than a geared holy paladin.
Let me be specific about how holy paladins struggle as healers in BFA. When there is a lot of damage on the entire group or most of the raid, holy paladins just freeze up, they dont know what to do. They dont have AE heals, they dont have hots, they do have a weak passive heal in aura of mercy but with too many targets at low health, they just dont have the tools to recover the health of more than 2 or 3 players. Holy Paladins are weak niche healers tank at best. At worst, they are just taking up a space that a better healing class or spec can fill.
In a mythic dungeon run last week, I invited a holy paladin who just could not keep up. After several wipes on trash, had to stop the dungeon run and talk to her about her healing. She did seem to be experienced and know something about he the class and spec. I finally had to ask her to leave. We got a shaman healer, restarted the mythic and had almost no problems.
As a tank in BFA I say no thank you to Holy Paladin healers.
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I agree that bfa has not been kind to the spec, but I feel confident in m+ right now, if anything that is our niche, speaking from experience. Did a +8 last week in time and it felt a little more difficult than a herioc. I haven't done a 10 yet, so I can't speak to that.
But the word is out, hpals need some love. People are attributing low hps raid numbers to m+ viability so it's harder to find groups even for m+.
I have recently main switched, it was causing me a lot of grief so I made a choice to shelf the hpal for raids until a later date.
I am not sure what the other hpals are doing, either they have really understanding guilds, don't mind sitting for half the progression fights in uldir, or are straight up God-adins. I used to think I was one of those God-adins, but bfa has taught me that blizz can giveth and blizz can taketh away.
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This is one of the most uninformed threads I have ever seen...
Holy Paladin is in an excellent spot right now. OP is 3/8 on NORMAL. To make a judgement on their class and proclaim it to the forums with that level of experience is just misguided. Look at any of the best performing guilds. They are always running at least one Hpal. What we offer is too unique and very desirable.
To compare to Rsham is even more laughable. They are the least sought out healer for Raids and M+
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Well, first of all Paladins are not not viable.. IDK where you got that. World First mythic G'Huun was completed with 2 holy paladins.. which really makes me feel like you are out of touch..
09/19/2018 12:25 PMPosted by
Lesenka My healing character is now my Draenei Shaman.
Then I saw you're moving to Shaman.. which confirms you are out of touch.
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