As a pvper where we’re the lowest ranked healer in tier and light of dawn is generally horrible outside of a specific build that completely kills kyrian shock barrier meta (lol kyrian betas) and rdruids continuing to be buffed to oblivion, the tier set was something that would really have helped the spec
Now we’re losing vers on main pieces for it on top of more built in rng in a spec that’s basically you may heal through the go or you may not, only rng awakening procs will tell. Hpal isnt bad for it, its just outclassed and severely less optimal than the other options
(I’m still excited for it because hpal main but next season it likely still won’t even compete with rdruids and hpriests)
“After 6 years of being the best damaging healer (Even moreso than Discipline, which is supposed to do damage to heal), I am finally getting nerfed, but I refuse to go down without dragging other classes down with me!”
I play ff14 and they rush in those too. In WoW the difference is that the dungeons just aren’t that fun to rush through. There’s a lot of mechanics and one shots and interrupts alongside other stuff. If it was as easy as a tank grabbing aggro in an entire room while people spamming AoE and try to do as much damage as possible, I think mythic+ would be more enjoyable.
WoW is like… oh no the hunter forgot to dismiss his pet and now we aggro’d another pack and we’re wiping. Ff14 be like pull more please
He didnt do any math at all. Like everyone on the priest forum will tell you, he is full of it half the time. That is not to say he is always wrong, but in game tooltips dont spread false information. They tell you defensive penance does way more healing for the same mana vs shadow mend. They also tell you that offensive penance does about the same damage as smite and smite is WAY more mana efficient. Hence it is sensible to sit on penance and only use it defensively most the time–except for maybe when you are on the move. If you are going to trust the word of someone over tooltips be my guest, even if it is the word of God, but it is just plain silly to go against logic no matter how “expert” your source. I would also add that Jak does not do what he advises others to do–that is, he sits on offensive penance a fair bit–and Moadmoad who is the better healer of the two does it even more.
In summary, you will continue to be on my ignore list, with only the occasional read of your comments because you are full of it. And because reading the thoughts of someone who lacks the capacity to think for himself is entertaining at times.
I would just add that if you think wasting mana on a healer that can very easily go oom left and right is a good thing for no damage gain (or only a very small one at best) and an actually HPS drop then you have a screw or two loose. That is not how ANYONE should play a disc priest, no matter if an “expert” falsely claims like a broken record that it is the right way to play.
A good resto shaman will do a lot of interrupts and as a result only need to do a minimum amount of healing. If you play that way you can do high damage. Maybe you dont play that way, but you ought to.
Oh back to insulting? Ok ill use time between pull in raid to pick apart how incorrect you are then…
(its a shame you deleted all your vods so I will have to do it off the top of my head)
There were like 6 of us there watching you get schooled by him for a good 15 minutes. Remember how it started with him literally laughing at the idea of casting penance 3 times in a more than 3 minute fight?
You said you like to keep it for an instant heal incase someone gets clapped by something. He then pointed out that the first tick is less effective health than a shield is so if you are wanting to save someone from something that will potentially kill them within the cast time of a shadow mend then its actually better to shield them since it bumps their health more than the first tick of a penance.
First of all on the mana. You were doing a 20 boss on fortified (I think but I cant check because it was so bad you deleted all footage of you playing lol) and 2nd boss in mists has forced rp time so you are guaranteed to get to full mana after the fight anyway so mana is not a concert on that fight in the slightest.
Secondly the tooltip of penance also has its cast time on it doesnt it? The instant heal of penance (first tick) is less than a powerword shield (what Jak told you) making it less health in the situation that you were wanting it for, and, lower hps than a shadowmend which would have been a better option in that fight anyway since the only reason you were holding penance was incase someone got hit by the fox and the balls but if someone got hit by both of them then they would be dead regardless of you hitting them with even a full penance between them so it was pointless to hold for it.
Again mana is not a consideration on that fight since you were full going in and have a drink after so it is not a concern.
That would have been a good idea to use it on the move. You didnt though. I cant remember exactly but I counted at the time how many times you moved without casting anything while penance was off cd and I think it was 11 or 12 times because you had to click it…
The tooltips are what gives the information that you are wrong. what’s the channel time on penance?
They both cast it a lot more than 3 times a fight which is what you did and for some reason are still defending. We all make mistakes and dont cast things on cd as much as we want to but to be defending it as the right play still is hilarious.
This from someone who hadnt even thought of the fact that the mechanics you were concerned about crossing over cant happen after one of them has happened without the other since the cd on the abilities are both longer than penance is lol. You clearly put no thought into overcoming boss fights by thinking about what actually happens. Same was in your halls vid where you sat to drink to full mana and let your whole party die because you didnt plan ahead at all.
You literally had gaps of 5 seconds between casting anything multiple times. I think one of them was more than 10 seconds of you just running away from a fox doing legit nothing. You could pretty much have cast penance 2 times in that running doing nothing alone lol.
Let me guess. You are still stuck at the same key level as you were all those months ago? Because I have rerolled to tank and gone up a key or 2 since then. That is the difference between someone who can actually analyze what they are doing wrong and someone who cannot even admit they are doing something that might be wrong when everyone better than them is doing something different.
He said to shield and then cast shadow mend. The mana cost of doing that is about FIVE TIMES the cost of a defensive penance cast for the same end result. Lol.
His advice is ridiculous. He said to not sit on penance why? So that you can cast it offensively for the same damage as smite but DOUBLE the mana cost.
That alone is a total joke, and evidence of how ridiculous his advice is. The guy doesnt even play disc much this expansion and plays Holy more. In fact, he dumped disc in 9.0 because of the mana issues–which he apparently has zero experience with. And this shows when it comes to his completely and horribly wrong and misguided advice.
You know nothing about mana management, lol. Like you can predict in a random pug group how much mana you are going to need before a fight. Thinking you can is silly. You do everything you can to conserve mana if you are smart, and especially if it COSTS YOU NOTHING IN TERMS OF DPS OR HPS.
SHIELD DOES NO HEALING. None. So you have to follow up with a shadow mend, and the mana cost of doing those two spells is crazy vs one cast of penance. Never mind that the mana cost is way less–you also lose time when you could be doing something else, like healing someone else that needs it. You also can’t always shield people in your group. You can only cast one every 7.5 seconds on the same person.
Let’s look at the mana cost of Jak’s advice vs what I actually do.
Jak’s advice: Shield then shadow mend. A shield costs 1550 mana. A shadow mend costs 1750 mana for a total mana cost of 3300 mana. And the total healing done is 5536 minus the damage shadow mend does (you read that correctly) 2768 (assuming they take no more damage soon after) for a total healing minimum of 2768 (see below) for 3300 mana.
If you simply cast defensive penance, one spell, also for large saving of time when you can do dps or whatever the mana cost is 800 mana for 6847 healing.
IN SUMMARY:
JAK IS SAYING DO A TOTAL OF 2768 (minimum) TO 5536 (maximum) HEALING for 3300 mana.
I AM SAYING NO. DO 6847 HEALING for 800 MANA. And for less time to boot.
You really need to open your eyes here. I am not going to endlessly point out how silly and ridiculous Jak’s advice is.
And what is the gain for doing what he says vs what I say? NOTHING because SMITE DOES ABOUT THE SAME DAMAGE AS PENANCE and at about HALF THE MANA COST.
I would lastly add that you can’t always shield either. If you happened to have cast a shield on that same person up to 7.5 seconds earlier then you CANNOT SHIELD THEM AGAIN. Under those circumstances, if you have no penance up to save them and they are close to dying then they are dead. This is yet another reason why Jak’s advice is extremely poor advice.
If you think after a few thousand dungeons healed as a disc priest in BFA and SL, which dwarfs what Jak has done on disc in the same time that I am wrong and he is right they you are sadly deluded. I have endless hours every day to heal dungeons and usually do. He does not.
What I heal and what I have accomplished in wow is none of your business. I happen to have multiple accounts, including one in the EU, where people are a lot nicer. I will say this though: I do not like waiting for invites to groups that demand meta. And if you think there are fewer and fewer of those the higher you go, it is the opposite, quite frankly.
I would just end this post by saying I find you to be extremely rude. You endlessly say the same thing and I endlessly point out how wrong Jak’s advice was. And yet it does not sink in. Make a disc priest and find out for yourself IF YOU CAN’T READ OR UNDERSTAND EXTREMELY SIMPLY MATH AND/OR WORDS WRITTEN IN ENGLISH ON THE PAGE IN FRONT OF YOU!
Also, I ask you to please stop triggering me with trolling on my threads. Kindly do me that favor because you really grind my gears to no end because you don’t read what I spend endless time over and over stating and restating in post after post aimed at you.
You manage to conserve mana at the cost of playing well lol. post the vid again and lets look at how much mana you had at the end of the fight lol. Good thing you saved mana for those periods of up to and over 10s of casting literally no spells lol. good mana saver that.
My mythic sylv kill and significantly more m+ experience says otherwise but ok.
Of course you can. Do a boss 20 times and you should know roughly what you need and what you dont. You literally run around doing nothing with penance off cd. Again we all make mistakes but only you are stubborn enough to defend it months later lol.
Absorb is no different than hp so that is irrelevant. PWS also puts atonement on them and I dont think penance does does it? And since one penance wouldnt heal someone up all the way then you would have to follow that up with something else anyway lol. In the main phase of that boss is the perfect time to chuck an atonement on someone then slowly heal them up with damage.
Honestly rather than going through the whole thing why dont we just do a key together? Im a tank main now so thats perfect. name a time and ill come tank on for you. It’ll have to be your key though probably because I have seen you heal and dont want to waste one of my 24s on you.
Play disc priest. Do a few runs. Go oom a few dozen times when two are standing in fire wherever or not even when they are doing that. When I play a holy paladin I dont even notice I have mana. Lol.
That is absolutely not true. If you think so it is more evidence I am just wasting my time with any posts directed at you BECAUSE YOU DONT READ THEM OR UNDERSTAND THE WORDS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
Please just stop triggering me and trolling with your posts. Kindly refrain from commenting on any of my threads because I find it takes away from my pleasure in this game and in RL as well. Please, kindly refrain from posting on my threads altogether, I beg you. You make me irate to an extreme degree. Please back off.
No. its a public forum and I have every right to post here. If you have a problem you can leave. I’m not changing for you. That is firmly a you problem.
I dont care what you think. Please go away. You are not welcome on my threads. Go make your own and troll and trigger others all you like. I cant handle it. You aggravate me to no end with your empty posts that do nothing but aim to troll and trigger others.
I will do as I like. Please go troll someone else, I beg you to kindly refrain from posting on my threads now and always. Please do me that favor, okay?
The forums are public indeed but are meant for constructive exchanges, not trolling.
No I will post where I please. I am not breaking the forum TOS and just quietly of the 2 of us only you were calling people autistic among plenty of other names.
People like you are not people I tend to do favors for.
Then read the posts directed at you and think about them. Or go troll elsewhere. Come on, man. I beg you. You do nothing but pester and troll and trigger me.
Let it go man. What do you have to prove? That you are capable of not doing unto others as you’d have done to you.
If you asked me to leave your home or asked me to not talk to you or asked me to not post on your threads, I would do so. Please, guy, have a heart and let it go and go post on another forum or thread. Come on man.
I’m not breaking the forum TOS so no I will not go anywhere and I will continue to post in public forums about a game I enjoy playing. If you have a problem with that you are welcome to leave but no will not alter what I am doing to cater for you.
This is a forum not your home. I have just as much right to be here as you do and you have just as little right to expect me to leave as I would to expect you to leave.
Well you are not welcome on my threads. You cannot be constructive and aim only to troll and trigger. Just let me be, okay? I’m not doing you any harm but you are really aggravating me and to no end.