I often wish that every online interaction had a person’s real name attached to it.
A lot of people act really different when the people they are talking too can see their face.
People learn lessons in IRL social situations. If you say something terrible, you’ll see the looks of disgust on most people’s faces. You’ll watch them walk away while you hang out in the corner alone.
This kind of feedback largely doesn’t happen or matter in anonymous online interactions, so people never really learn how to behave.
Anyhow, no changing it right now. If someone is being terrible, ignore or report them as necessary. As they say when you get on the airplane, put on your own oxygen mask before worrying about anyone else.
Wrong attitude IMO. Why is the given answer almost always to let people keep up their bad behavior? Is that just acceptable? Why isn’t it acceptable in real-life situations, then? I get that the circumstances are different, but that doesn’t mean behavior should be. After all, bad is bad. In real-world contexts, there are generally consequences to try to keep people like that in check.
This was a very long post for someone who says that they arent bothered by it.
I always tend to take these posts with a grain of salt. I dont actually see anything that bad to warrant some sort of behavior police. You have the power to ignore which is enough to solve the problem. For things like leaving mythic plus, all we need is a way for that statistic to be tracked and raiderio would surely display it.
In my old clans counter strike server, yea we had a hardcore be nice no nude picture gifs rule and it ended up in the top 1% for active servers. Full 24/7. But that was one teeny tiny server among a sea of junk. It required moderation 24/7 luckily it worked. But with only 36 slots it was easy to moderate.
A game of this size. The only thing blizzard will be able to catch are the worst offenders if enough people report them. Plus what some consider toxic, while rude, doesn’t break the TOS.
Well, consider this. When you do arena, everyone that joins is basically on equal footing. you all win and lose together. Some content, that isn’t the case. You don’t all have an equal stake. Not that rating prevents toxic attitudes by any means, but people are more willing to push past something and at least ‘complete’ the task at hand as they have something on the line.
I understand. heh. I’m likely older then the majority of people posting here. We all have our limits. I don’t think simply ignoring every event like this is good either.
Looking at it from a birds eye view, I think it can be detrimental to the game itself. I enjoy the content. I enjoy meeting new people. I’d say… generally that’s probably true for most of us. Making an environment that encourages that attracts players to the game.
80/20. You ignore the top and the bottom and focus on the averages. Some of my work involves customer reviews on products. A lot of the ‘worst’ reviews are often filtered out. In the same way, if someone were to get brigaded, you can design systems to flag and prevent this.
That said, I don’t think a system of reviews would be the best by any means. Would be nice to see a player’s history, but i get that is a lot to ask for.
You have to start somewhere. You can’t just join a game and meet people instantly. Building relationships takes time and the game environment is less conducive of that these days.
It hadn’t failed yet. We did wipe. But it was a 17 and we had more then enough time to complete the key before it would expire.
Not that it matters, but just clarifying.
For sure. Lots of things in life are still relative, but we can still agree that some of them are bad over others.
Yea, it’s stuff like this. Get 5, 10, or 20 people together and you’re going to have a bad apple. The majority of the group is likely decent people, but now everyone is having their experience defined by the one person.
Heh. I mean, would just be nice to see to see what people are saying.
What if!.. You could just look at players chat logs while they are in 5 man groups. Yea… might be a bit weird… But what if. What if the things you said could be seen by more people then just the 4 people you’re grouped with?
Sure it would change some peoples tunes.
The gist. No. No longer allow? Intentionally ruining someone else experience in the game is okay to you then?
It does suck. I didn’t ask for “WoW players to start policing people’s behavior because you ran into a jerk during a stressful time…”
So yes, it’s bad form to say I said something I didn’t.
I asked a question. Is it possible to hold players accountable? If you think the answer is no, that’s fine. I didn’t really offer up much for suggestions. I’m not asking for the community to police itself. I DON’T have the answer.
Offering up more tools for players to deal with these types of people though would be useful.
Not only that, but our account and not our character should be doing the ignoring. Never mind essences, real alt unfriendliness is having to ignorelist the same chat trolls 12 times.
All ignores should default to being my account ignores their account. Because it’s the behavior of that player that pissed off me as a player. Characters have nothing to do with it.
Victim blaming is about creating an illusion of control/safety. If someone can convince themselves that only bad players have other players be toxic to them, then they’re going to be fine because they’re not bad, right?
Abusers do not work that way and you can’t be good enough to be safe. The OP posted someone flaming and dropping group at the first death – and then some of the responses immediately jumped to “well you can’t expect him to stay in a failing group”. But declaring a group failing at the first death is part of the problem!
A better group member would be working with the rest of the group to fix the problem, keep it from happening again and complete the run – and the definition of “better” I’m using here has nothing to do with fast fingers or knowledge of which enemy cast is the most urgent to interrupt.
Yea, I honestly don’t understand why that isn’t the case.
haha. I did laugh. Um, nah. Been a rough year and I have pretty thick skin. I responded back to the person pretty calmly and apologized to the key holder and left it at that.
That said, it still put a damper on my night. I tend to handle that stuff well though. Many people don’t though and I don’t expect them to.
You know the whole stick and stones bla bla bla. Just because words can’t physically hurt someone, they can still be detrimental and have long lasting affects on the person. Even if it’s a random person on the internet, no one wants to hear that they are garbage. We all have are high and low points in life. Many, many people are at a low point right now.
That’s why I asked the question now. I’m usually the first person to say… just ignore them and move on. I did, for the most part do just that. I’m still wanted to ask the question though. It was bothering me. Not even so much what happened… but the fact the good players are so… powerless. We basically have no options to help weed out these types of people.
I know it’s asking for a lot and likely doesn’t have a solution other then have a real, warm bodied person look into it. I think there was a time WoW had that capability, but I think that has long since been gone.
I disagree. It’s a place to communicate. Yes, the environment is a game, but it’s no different then Twitter, Facebook, any forum, etc. It’s a place for people to congregate. While the shared experience we all have IS the game, our words and actions carry far past the digital experience. What happens relative to that can have lasting impact on people’s live. One of my best friend’s I met on WoW. Eventually was his best man in his wedding.
The people in the game are what matter and the actions of those people matter as well.
Sure, maybe nothing.
I have played other games where mods are more involved. More apparent. Actions taken again players that abuse the environment are more public. Wow might just be to big for that. I get that.
It’s more then that. see my other response.
Words can cause just as much pain as sticks and stones. NOT saying that was the case here, but I don’t think we need to devalue the power they have.
Yea, that’s what bothers me. Just seems odd the the decent people are the ones being told they have to suck it up and ignore and move on awhile the repeat offenders continue to do the same thing in the next group.
I think the weeks events sparked a thought relative to what happened. It bothered me. I think it would bother most people. I think that’s normal.
The point here was just being aware of the current state of events relative to the game. So i posed the question. Maybe… now is a good time to have the discussion.
Something is wrong with you if what another person said bothers you? I think it’s perfectly normal. That’s why every other site has active moderation. That’s why these forums have rules in place. Words affect people. To say otherwise is just… well, ignorant.
Of course. But racist rants in trade channel, insults in failed dungeon groups, and inane posts in the forum aren’t really words from people. For instance, some soy boy calling me ignorant has zero affect on me.
Completely untrue haha. People have been absolutely horrible on the internet since it was invented, because they were horrible in other forms of written speech before that.
People have been treating each other like dirt in writing since people figured out how to mark words on wax tablets.
He’s blunter than I would be, but he’s not entirely wrong.
Words only have the power you give them.
I’m not even remotely arguing that people should have free license to be douchewaffles to each other. But if you DO encounter one, why care? Laugh at them, report them, ignore them, then move on. Don’t give them any more power over you than that, they don’t deserve it.
I also agree with the person who said you first have to define “toxic” before you can hold people accountable, and as we see here daily on GD, people have vastly different ideas about what is and is not toxic behavior.
Therefore, I think all we can do is look to the ToS to define it (which is what blizz themselves will do). (on that note: someone leaving your group, while you might not like it, isn’t breaking any rules of the game.)
