It seems that the only reason why people run BRD at this point is for experience, reals, HoJ.
Unfortunately, most people do not want to run brd for reals, since there is a lot of trash and it is a long dungeon.
Level 55 and under cannot do torch room because they will pull everything.
There are no special pieces of loot that drops for vanity.
There is no pre-bis caster gear lava skip onward.
So, every group I’ve been in has had all melee dps, and 1 paid healer that also wants to roll on HoJ for their other spec. 
I’ve been full pre-bis and raiding for the past 140 hours and still do not have another dps trinket.
Why can’t we do angerforge runs for hoj?
Can ya’ll tell me how you feel about this design?
This is you in another thread
Full T1 but can’t get HoJ 
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I have two warriors.
and don’t have them on either.
is what it is.
So… how are you full pre raid bis, but still need dungeon loot?
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if u can’t infer i don’t know there’s no helping u
If you still need gear from other sources to get into the raid, you aren’t pre-bis. Are you?
So why tell everyone that you are.
If you still need gear from other sources to get into the raid, you aren’t pre-bis. Are you?
So why tell everyone that you are.
What nonsense post is this? If it doesn’t drop for you it doesn’t drop.
I’ve done like 40 dfc and haven’t seen moonstalker trinket once.
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“the only reason”
States multiple reasons why people run a dungeon.
get your guild to help, if they wont you need a new guild
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And i just had a level 54 rogue ninja loot HoJ, this is great game, really fun.
It’s barely a dps increase anyways.
player created problem as usual 
HoJ is supposed to be a “nice to have” trinket. but the community has turned it and similar items into “you must have it or you will not be invited to anything ever”.
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loot off a 5 man dungeon boss is “not accessible” go back to retail
welcome to classic, are you new?
this version of the game is based on cooperative play… so ask guildees if they want to help you farm it… they get reals anyways.
People also run BRD for librams and coffer. BRD has a lot of reals and the bosses are easy. I’m still seeing a lot of coin groups for BRD. I cleared BRD several times at around 55 and under. You absolutely can do the torch room at level 55, though it’s recommended to have some higher levels in group too. Rainbow generator is a vanity item. Eye of Org is still decent for newer players, but yes I do wish Emp had some better caster gear. Not a lot of reason for healers to do Emp except for reals/quest.
That said, I do feel that HoJ is too hard to get in SoD for its importance. It’s drop rate should be increased, it should be put in the reals vendor, or it should be moved to Angerforge. Some other items should have drop rate increased too, like they did with BOED in Maraudon.
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How do you not have another trinket? HoJ is always sim bait trash anyway. Get BHB, Royal Seal and there’s like 3 trinkets in DFC you want.