The “leaks” from four chan speak of both factions being merged… and that they’re gonna make tyrande attack the horde during 8.3 or 9.0 after anduin has made the peace. this is why I’m not dismissing the leaks out of hand, because it sounds just like the type of non sense blizzard would do. make tyrande the villain who tries to ruin anduins peace and then somehow redeem sylvanas at the end (the leaks say you kill her, but then she gets redeemed in the shadowlands LOL)
I’d love for Anduin to face actual consequences for his idealism and decisions, I just dislike how Blizzard will “punish” anyone who doesn’t rubber-stamp anything Anduin does.
letting tyrande go HAM briefly is cool and all but if they did that it would just be used to just further show how wrong she is and how right anduin is and probably set up tyrande as a villain… which will suck.
That’s my biggest problem with Anduin. I don’t dislike him, and I’d be fine with him being just the King of Stormwind, but everyone around him tiptoes about and tells him how much of a good job he’s doing. Even when his plans end in defeat, people will simply pat him on the head and go “you’re doing your best, it’s okay.” Nobody ever talks back to him, even when his ideals are silly.
That’s why I liked the argument between him and Tyrande. While I hold the opinion that neither side was really wrong, it was good to see Tyrande stick to her guns over Darkshore. And I really liked Genn’s original text where he was much harsher on Anduin over repaying the Night Elves, instead of the “gee wilikers Anduin, I don’t mean to defy you” version we got in game.
You know what? No. Just because you’re being cynical doesn’t mean you are being realistic.
There has not been the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that giving up all claims to traditional Night Elf lands is a notion that’s even being entertained on the Alliance. Even Anduin’s argument with Tyrande is just about the timing of the offensive into Darkshore. They both agreed it had to be retaken before the war is over.
It is the logical outcome of a red kalimdor, blue Eaastern Kingdoms if blizzard pushes for it like Afrabashi suggested. This is the likely outcome providing the expansion meta doesnt change.
The Warsong clan began harvesting lumber in Ashenvale, they did not know the NEs were even there until they were attacked. The NEs under Cenarius did NOT attack the Warsong clan because of their lumber harvesting; but because Cenarius sensed the Fel Taint in them, and assumed they were agents of the Legion (and thus intended to eradicate them all before the Legion could get a foothold). Due to this, he pushed the Orcs to such desperation he ironically pushed them back into the Fel (triggering his death at the hands of Grom and the Third War).
Does’t really matter though.
All three of those things are unforgivable things to Night Elves and hence the reasons they would never join orcs in their Horde.
Especially since their warchief demands and oath of complete obedience.
True enough, though just remember … the Kaldorei shot first.
They attempted to wipe out the Orcs tainted by Fel (and had he sensed Thrall’s band further to the south, due to his purpose of attacking them, Cenarius was not about to stop with Grom). Had the Warsong Clan NOT imbibed in the Fel to save themselves, then the NEs under Cenarius absolutely would have committed genocide against the Orcs (because again, they believed them to be agents of the Legion; and thus needed to be purged … it had nothing to do with lumber).
Not getting into the whole who is guilty thing but I think those 3 “sins” are enough for the NEs to never consider being associated as formal members of the Orc’s Horde no matter the circumstances.
You’re certainly not wrong. And I would think that a preemptive attempt at trying to eradicate the Orcs would be equally damaging to the prospect of the Orcs really wanting the Kaldorei in the Horde. Like it or not, Grom died because of them. He and his clan would have been slaughtered against Cenarius if they hadn’t consumed Demon Blood in desperation to save themselves (and Cenarius likely would have gone on to attempt the same against the rest under Thrall); and he died trying to make up for that mistake.
To say that the two groups came off on the wrong foot would be an understatement.
In a Good War at least Malfurion states they never even considered attacking the Orcs or destroy them.
So I guess they were willing to leave in peace. I have no idea if Cenarius wanted to go on a crusade across the entire continent, or he just wanted all the intruders (Grom and his Warsong) to be eradicated.
Most of these theories come from Players themselves as far as I know.
Hmm … unfortunately Malf opinions only seem to go so far these days. He also seems to get backstabbed rather regularly by those that don’t agree with his choices (three times now? Illidan; Staghelm; Maiev?). But you are right, at least with Malf … he was good with peace; but I would also argue he’s surprisingly lacking in dogma for the BIG Druid on campus.
As for Cenarius … well, his original reason for slaughtering the Orcs was that he was convinced they were attempting to create a foot-hold situation for a future Legion invasion. I can’t imagine that Durotar is any better of a place for them to create one (if he had been correct in his assumptions), than Ashenvale would be. If he realized Thrall’s group was just outside of the borders of Kaldorei territory; I can’t see him stopping and risking it.