Pretty much what happened in the past. Keys that are higher than loot rewards have been about score. This was a good change to reduce score inflation. I don’t think they took it far enough and should reduce score for untimed keys below 21. At least to how it was in SL.
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Revert this change and make depleted keys award rating 1.5-2 key levels lower than timed ones, like it was before Dragonflight. Right now an untimed key can give equal or better rating than a timed key 1 level below. This change is overcorrecting that problem. Don’t come up with an ‘innovative’ fix for a problem you yourself created, just revert the rating system to the pre-DF values.
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How about make it so keys don’t deplete anymore, FFS. You guys are so out of touch with the player base.
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Keys need to deplete. If anything they can have 2 or 3 charges to attempt before depleting, but no to removing depletion completely.
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I pushed M+ in SL. This is much, much worse. I’ve wiped in higher keys and still timed. Now, one wipe and a group is completely dead because there’s even less incentive to take that chance.
This change, to put it bluntly, is complete trash.
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Revisiting the scoring system as a whole is something we may do in future Seasons.
But any changes are inherently retroactive, and must be to be fair. We don’t want to make a midseason change that would lower the Rating a majority of M+ players, dropping many of them below important thresholds.
Thus, this is a surgical change to sharpen competition at the very high end, while minimizing the midseason impact to the majority.
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Yeah more bonuses for the try hards. Look you get extra points that do you nothing since your already 3000 io and 420 ilvl
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I see how this is a problem as it is right now in very high keys, and the change is okay within the context of -extremely high keys- (and only there).
What is not acceptable is having any impact on players pushing Keystone Hero. The cutoff doesn’t have to be +21 if you’re just aiming for the people at the top of the leaderboards. Make the cutoff at +23 and boom, the problem is gone without radically impacting people who just want Rank 13 upgrades.
KSH is obtainable with +18s.
Rank 13 is unlocked with 2400 score which is 100 points under KSH.
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Really? All 18s 1 second in time is 2500?
How radically did they change the scoring formulas for that to be true?
They bumped up key difficulty to be ~2 key levels harder so a +13 DF is 15 SL.
With that change you can get KSM with timing just 13s. Likewise KSH with just 18s.
This change really shouldn’t impact many players who were going for 13/13 upgrades or KSH except the people who pushed a +20 SBG and a completion run of the 21.
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They bumped up key difficulty to be ~2 key levels harder so a +13 DF is 15 SL.
With that change you can get KSM with timing just 13s. Likewise KSH with just 18s.
Oh, okay. Well, this change is probably fine then, since there’s a 3 level gap between 18 and the cutoff at 21.
Carry on, my mistake.
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Oops. You should reread all of this because you’ve grossly misunderstood what’s happening.
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yeah this will really hurt all the people pugging their no-leaver 25s lol
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This is bad. If you want to do that, do it next season, because now its too late for this season.
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It’s not bad and it’s not too late.
How about balancing the tanks and healers so that Mythic + isn’t balanced around certain classes that are multiple tiers ahead of others.
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This change was needed because I’ve been seeing 2800-2900 IO players with all failed +21/22s keys except for CoS/SBG. I look on raider io and they haven’t even timed any +20s in some dungeons.
I have all timed +20s and a few +21s so why should somebody that literally failed all +21 and +22s have 75-100 more points than me when they haven’t even timed +20s.
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keys should not exist at all. they should be like torghast. approach font of power, select key level desired. only once you do +6 can you try +7
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Its not even funny how this one change would quell 90% of the toxcicity.
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