High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

[Midare-area-52 (Midare)]

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

So in all the time from after Arthas until the Sunwell was back, the high elves in Dalaran faced exactly the same hardships as the Blood Elves?

Don’t you totally remember all those High Elves that fought tooth and nail alongside with the Draenei to purify the Sunwell?

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

Are you just attacking everyone because people can clearly see who is right and it’s not you?

He stated, and has since doubled-down, that while Quel’thalas was reeling from the invasion of Quel’thalas… Dalaran was just continuing on, living their best lives. There’s nothing “right” about this, and is in fact completely incorrect.

The fact that you like posts which are objectively incorrect, and defend those posts which are objectively incorrect, indicates that you don’t have any real interest in intellectual honesty.

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

So in all the time from after Arthas until the Sunwell was back, the high elves in Dalaran faced exactly the same hardships as the Blood Elves?

That is an assertion you dreamed into existence, not one that I ever posited.

What I’d said, specifically, was that the BE’s and HE’s had completely different obstacles from one another… but that the period in which they both experienced difficulties was identical (i.e. both lost access to the Sunwell). This is simply a fact.

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

Could you stick to one story? I mean, this is about you claiming they will always choose the path of least resistance, not that they enjoy nice things.

That’s completely in-line with every assertion made since, the fact that you don’t have a mind for nuance and are easily distracted/confused is a you issue.

[Grabbag-barthilas]

Is there a reason we’re getting engaged in fantasy identity politics atm?

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

That is an assertion you dreamed into existence, not one that I ever posited.

I may have brought them in, but since you responded to me talking smack about the Dalaran high elves to start this off, what yesterday now, I’d say you’ve posited it. Unless you forgot what was being talked about.

@Sibbja-sargeras

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

You misspelled Silver Covenant/other high elves that sat back and abandoned their people in their darkest hour

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

The Blood Elves have been defined by their decidedly luxurious lifestyles since the moment they were introduced.

@Sibbja-sargeras

That’s completely in-line with every assertion made since

I mean fine if you want to conflate two separate ideas as one, that’s your option. Makes you look dishonest when you argue against someone commenting on one by bringing up the other though.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Because I have a sad life with nothing better to do at the moment?

[Grabbag-barthilas]

Carry on, citizen.

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

I may have brought them in, but since you responded to me talking smack about the Dalaran high elves to start this off, what yesterday now, I’d say you’ve posited it.

You’d be wrong. I haven’t once opined about which group had it worse, and in one of my posts I specifically said I wouldn’t weigh in on that question.

Instead, I’ve exclusively responded to your specific assertion that while Quel’thalas was at their lowest point the HE’s were just living it up in Dalaran – which is, objectively, incorrect.

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

I mean fine if you want to conflate two separate ideas as one, that’s your option.

It’s a singular notion.

It’s my opinion that the Blood Elves’ decisions are, in almost all cases, influenced by how likely that decision is to impact their ability to live lavishly – the most glaring example of this, to be sure, being their willingness to abandon centuries of social and political interfacing because the Horde (at that time) offered them magic (i.e. leisure).

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

The fact that you like posts which are objectively incorrect, and defend those posts which are objectively incorrect, indicates that you don’t have any real interest in intellectual honesty.

You’re the minority here and in the wrong and has been proven to be wrong multiple times. Majority Wins when it comes to History/Lore and facts.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

It’s my opinion that the Blood Elves’ decisions are, in almost all cases, influenced by how likely that decision is to impact their ability to live lavishly – the most glaring example of this, to be sure, being their willingness to abandon centuries of social and political interfacing because the Horde (at that time) offered them magic (i.e. leisure).

so firstly, so we have our terms defined, what kinds of social and political interfacing did they abandon exactly?

[Magnificent-wyrmrest-accord]

@Aesimel-kirin-tor

Well blood elves only rebuilt half of silvermoon while high elves not only helped rebuild dalaran, but made it float too.

damn would love a citation for this. its pretty much established in ‘lorthemar theron: in the shadow of the sun’ that the sunreavers(the community that jaina credits with teaching humans magic and being productive citizens for thousands of years) are the ones that returned to help rebuild. they returned to pick up where their lives left off when dalaran was destroyed. isnt that why they control the only place that has any blood(high) elven architecture? isnt that why they have a member on the council of six? isnt that why aethas gets ticked off when jaina tells him to leave and he rebuffs her with ‘this is OUR city too’?

read the shorty story. theres even a passage where aethas hopes lorthemar can speak to vereesa as shes opposed to him and the sunreavers. no mention of the SC, apparently vereesa represents no one and simply has rhonins ear at this time

“Vereesa Windrunner is married to the new leader of the Kirin Tor. She is not fond of me, or those I represent. I had hoped… because you were a ranger…” Aethas shrugged. “I thought maybe you could help us bridge that gap. I suppose not.”

Lor’themar scowled at the mention of Vereesa’s name. “You suppose correctly,” he said.

it really is sad how you guys try to gaslight people. and for what? theres like maybe 10 people who read this thread

[Grabbag-barthilas]

Wait, when did the Horde ‘give’ the blood elves magic?

Is that a thing we can do?

Guys, have I been missing a core gameplay mechanic?

Were the Alliance players weeping about op Horde right? Because we can just give people magic?

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

because the Horde (at that time) offered them magic (i.e. leisure).

Have you actually played this game?

[Aesimel-kirin-tor]

Someone didn’t click.

@Aesimel-kirin-tor

I’m kidding, I know silvermoon has been rebuilt in lore for a long time now.
I’m sure they could make it fly too if they really wanted to.

[Aesimel-kirin-tor]

@Sibbja-sargeras

the Horde (at that time) offered them magic (i.e. leisure).

That’s actually hysterical, thanks for that.

[Magnificent-wyrmrest-accord]

you still tried to separate the elves that returned to dalaran after it was rebuilt from the blood elves to high elves that came from i guess stormwind in your mind

here take a look at the district the suneavers control. its architecture reflects the people that live there. compare it to the alliance side which the only thing remotely blood(high) elven is the alleria memorial

https://imgur.com/a/uEvvT9Z

shouldnt it be the other way around if your interpretation is correct

[Aesimel-kirin-tor]

@Magnificent-wyrmrest-accord

i guess stormwind in your mind

Stop that.

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Renotarshil-malganis

You’re the minority here and in the wrong and has been proven to be wrong multiple times. Majority Wins when it comes to History/Lore and facts.

1. Your opinions aren’t proof of anything.
2. How popular something is/isn’t has no bearing on objective truths – and the fact that you think it does is hilarious.

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

so firstly, so we have our terms defined, what kinds of social and political interfacing did they abandon exactly?

They had access to a network of kingdoms, who could’ve surely assisted them throughout this period in a myriad of ways, but instead they chose to defer to the whims of their prince – who promised to personally deliver a solution to their magic dilemma.

(I suspect we could go back and forth all night on precisely what would motivate a leader, Kael’thas in this case, to so haphazardously gamble with the health and wellness of his people… but I’d like to see where you’re going with this line of discussion.)

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There are definitely two major ironies to be found in the broader population throwing their support behind a prince with lofty ideas:

1. The “solution” proffered by Kael’thas, while technically suitable, ultimately inundated all Blood Elves with some small amount of Fel – and semi-permanently altered their appearance (in like all cases, this presented as Fel-suffused eyes).
   
   
2. The actual solution, which came in the form of a completely re-empowered Sunwell, ended up ironically coming as a gift from one of the aforementioned network of kingdoms.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

Your opinions aren’t proof of anything.

Not opinions when it’s facts.

@Sibbja-sargeras

How popular something is/isn’t has no bearing on objective truths – and the fact that you think it does is hilarious.

If the objective truth is popular like say the earth is round, when a flat earther chimes in, their incorrect opinion does not matter.

Now if we apply it in WoW terms, everyone here against you knows the objective truth where as you have the incorrect opinion.

Speaking of incorrect opinions akin to flat-earther speak:

@Sibbja-sargeras

the Horde (at that time) offered them magic (i.e. leisure).

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

They had access to a network of kingdoms, who could’ve surely assisted them throughout this period in a myriad of ways,

The ones that in general they isolated themselves from, leaving them and only coming back when cajoled to honor past debts? Also, the same kingdoms that fairly or not, the elves may have seen as trying to kill them off the last time they were in trouble?

Also, the same network which was sending in spies and such, and possibly tampering with their defenses?

@Sibbja-sargeras

ended up ironically coming as a gift from one of the aforementioned network of kingdoms.

I mean, there’s no denying they helped out, but the group that dealt with the whole sunwell area was a combined force of Draenei and Blood Elves teaming up to remove Kael’s nonsense from the land. Velen was a big part, but he didn’t do it all on his own.

[Grabbag-barthilas]

@Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood

I mean, there’s no denying they helped out, but the group that dealt with the whole sunwell area was a combined force of Draenei and Blood Elves teaming up to remove Kael’s nonsense from the land. Velen was a big part, but he didn’t do it all on his own.

I thought it was the Shattrath draenei that were in the Shattered Sun, not the Alliance ones.